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Mr. Laz · 02:57 PM

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

Mecca · 06-09-2010, 11:24 PM

The Big 12 is dead, I know many in this area are going to hold onto it because of teams like KU...but it's ****ed.

The landscape of college football is massively changing. It's pretty obvious you'll eventually get 4 super conferences, which results in those 4 playing the winners playing and then that giving you your national champion.

healthpellets · 06-09-2010, 11:26 PM

since we're talking about USC for a minute, this is funny...

AaronRodgers12: Looking forward to getting my PAC-10 championship ring from the '04 season. Thanks @claymatthews52

Tiger's Fan · 06-09-2010, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

And we don't know that MU is left holding their dick, either. That is as much speculation as anything.

MU to the Big Ten was never more than speculation.

It was always about ND and Nebraska. Period.

Bambi · 06-09-2010, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Big 12 is dead, I know many in this area are going to hold onto it because of teams like KU...but it's ****ed.

The landscape of college football is massively changing. It's pretty obvious you'll eventually get 4 super conferences, which results in those 4 playing the winners playing and then that giving you your national champion.

Nope. Jim Delany is perhaps the biggest BCS guy on the planet.

This 4 superconference thing will not result in a playoff. It makes it even worse in that regard.

Why? Cause this is all about tv contracts. And tv contracts are their most valuable because they are tied into Bowl games and the conference contracts with those bowl games.

4 Superconferences is quite possibly the worst thing for college football imaginable.

**alnorth** · 06-09-2010, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't have a horse in this KU MU thing but to watch KU fans say "look MU sucks" for possibly being in the same spot they are is really moronic.

What is this argument now that if Missouri doesn't get a big 10 offer they're as pathetic as KU?

Sort of like: you may be shot in the chest with 4 rounds, bleeding out, hanging off a bridge of a canyon barely clutching on the railing, and on fire with your flesh roasting off, but all thats all right as long as Missouri slips and falls off too.

Mecca · 06-09-2010, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthpellets

since we're talking about USC for a minute, this is funny...

AaronRodgers12: Looking forward to getting my PAC-10 championship ring from the '04 season. Thanks @claymatthews52

Matthews responds:

@AaronRodgers12 U can have it... I got 5 more!!

Atleast u cant take away the a$$ whoppin we put on @AaronRodgers12 and his bears and @Ryangrant25 and his domers!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

healthpellets · 06-09-2010, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Nope. Jim Delany is perhaps the biggest BCS guy on the planet.

This 4 superconference thing will not result in a playoff. It makes it even worse in that regard.

Why? Cause this is all about tv contracts. And tv contracts are their most valuable because they are tied into Bowl games and the conference contracts with those bowl games.

4 Superconferences is quite possibly the worst thing for college football imaginable.

the real upshot here is the disappearance of the NCAA as a regulatory body governing the new superconferences.

**alnorth** · 06-09-2010, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Big 12 is dead, I know many in this area are going to hold onto it because of teams like KU...but it's ****ed.

The landscape of college football is massively changing. It's pretty obvious you'll eventually get 4 super conferences, which results in those 4 playing the winners playing and then that giving you your national champion.

perhaps.

Quote:

Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione said Wednesday that his school has not met with the Pac-10, has no offer to go and continues "to work diligently to keep our conference strong."

Castiglione, formerly athletic director at Missouri, also questioned the logic of domino theories that college football is headed toward four 16-team super conferences.

"I'm still trying to get my mind around why that's better than what we already have," said Castiglione, who laughed and added, "I've never understood why people don't see that if super teams come together to make a super conference, they don't all stay super every year."

Bambi · 06-09-2010, 11:32 PM

Wonder what the Pac-10 (Stanford) will think of this.

NCAA hands down penalties to Colorado, Syracuse for academics

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The NCAA's big boys are beating up on the smaller schools in the classroom, too.

Only seven of the 137 teams sanctioned Wednesday for poor scores on the Academic Progress Rate come from BCS conferences. One squad, Portland State's men's basketball team, will be banned from next season's NCAA tournament.

Colorado and Syracuse were the only power conference schools to make the list in the three highest-profile sports - football or men's and women's basketball. The men's basketball teams at both schools and the Colorado football team all were sanctioned for falling short of the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate cutline of 925.

The APR measures the classroom performance of every Division I team and is based on data collected from 2005-06 through 2008-09.

Colorado will lose one scholarship in men's basketball and up to four scholarships in football. The Buffaloes scored 920 in football and 897 in basketball. The Orange's basketball team scored 912 and could lose up to two basketball scholarships if academically ineligible players leave school before next season.

Colorado was one of 10 schools to be sanctioned in both sports, though the other nine all compete in the Football Championship Subdivision. And four of those 10 are Historically Black Colleges and Universities.

Clearly, school size matters.

Only four BCS teams, other than those at Colorado and Syracuse, face penalties: men's outdoor track teams at Auburn and Cincinnati, the men's indoor track team at Auburn and the women's rowing team at West Virginia.

The other 130 teams, including 20 football and men's basketball teams that face scholarship losses, a reduction in practice time or both, come from smaller conferences.

The APR is billed as a real-time academic measure of every Division I team. Each athlete receives one point per semester for remaining academically eligible and another point each semester for remaining at that school or graduating.

A mathematical formula is then used to calculate a final team score with 1,000 points being perfect. Teams falling below 925 can face conditional scholarship losses. Teams consistently falling below 900 can be penalized more harshly.

Florida International and Southeastern Louisiana each had seven teams penalized, the most in Division I.

The other schools with more than two teams on the list are McNeese State with six; Cal State-Fullerton, Chicago State, Delaware State, Howard and Nicholls State with four; Georgia Southern, Portland State, Southern University, Southern Utah, Tennessee-Chattanooga and Texas-San Antonio with three.

Tennessee-Chattanooga avoided a second straight postseason ban in football despite scoring 885 because the team showed "demonstrated improvement'' over last year's score of 870.

teedubya · 06-10-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

By the by, Memphis + Louisville + Cincinnati are available and bring awesome basketball, top 50 markets, and improving football programs. Just, you know. Just saying.

Colorado, Nebraska, and Mizzou bolting was kind of my dream scenario, but if the even crazier stuff happens this might be too enormous a shakeup to really end up benefiting Memphis much at this point.

Yep... well, here is my dream scenario...

ACC East

Duke
UNC
Maryland
NC State
Boston College
Wake Forest
Virginia
Virginia Tech

ACC West

Memphis
Louisville
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
UConn
Kentucky
Kansas
Kansas State

beer bacon · 06-10-2010, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

MU to the Big Ten was never more than speculation.

It was always about ND and Nebraska. Period.

It was always about ND. It is still all about ND.

Titty Meat · 06-10-2010, 01:43 AM

Great article

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13501955

Dear Big Ten: Roll out the red carpet for the Big Red

They're special, Jim, so be kind. In fact, a red carpet of some kind wouldn't be considered over the top.

They are the Big Red. The only Big Red that matters. Nebraska. A program that forged its reputation playing walk-ons from the state's cornfields. It was recruiting New Jersey before Rutgers had a clue. At one time, its coaches used to know California better than The Governator.

It is a national program with incredibly deep local roots so be gentle, Jim, because Nebraska football isn't a "brand" or "inventory" as you like to call the games you sell to networks. Nebraska football isn't just something to fill air time on the Big Ten Network. It is a culture. It is brawn. It is Outlands, Heismans.

It is the Great Plains version of Michigan -- with its pride still intact.

Now it's all yours, Jim. Don't mess it up. Don't make Nebraska football into ... Purdue, something lost in the haze of a 16-team conference. I'm talking to you, Jim Delany. This is on you, the Big Ten commissioner. You didn't just invite a school or a team or a program. You invited a state, its people, its past, its future, its ethic.

You invited 45 percent of Notre Dame Stadium. That's the percentage of red that showed up in the Irish's football shrine when the teams met in 2000. You invited one half of the Game of the Century. You invited those thousands of balloons that are released into the Lincoln sky after the home team's first touchdown. You invited Devaney, Osborne, Gill, Rozier, Alberts, Wistrom and Suh.

You invited the Corn Belt to the Rust Belt. Will the fit be more comfortable than Nebraska's long-distance relationship with Texas? We'll see. Nebraska AD/legend Tom Osborne didn't want to leave the Big 12. He really didn't. Nebraska would have been fine staying in the conference if Texas hadn't taken over the league in everything from academics to finances.

Once Texas issued that "ultimatum" last week, it was over. Nebraska knew it couldn't go back to a league where one of the members was issuing deadlines.

It is sad because the Huskers have played members of the old Big Eight for a century. It usually beat the hell out of Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State but that's beside the point. Back then, they were all partners who genuinely liked each other. Now a school like Kansas suddenly finds itself reduced to second-class citizen status. At least KU has basketball to perhaps save it. Where is Kansas State going to end up?

Where is Kansas City going to end up? If the dominoes topple as projected, the ancestral home of the Big Eight/Big 12 is diminished. The city hosted multiple Big Eight/Big 12 tournaments and those leagues' championship games. The city built the Sprint Center just so the Big 12 wouldn't move the basketball tournament. Now what does it do? Nebraska's in the Big Ten, Missouri might be headed there. Iowa State will end up in the Mountain West, if it's lucky.

It's all collateral damage and it's only the beginning. The way it looks, Jim, this isn't going to be expansion, it's going to be waterboarding for the affected fans. Nebraska today, Notre Dame tomorrow, Syracuse on Monday. It's all so torturous and tawdry.

Nebraska is not a domino to be tipped over, Jim, it is a tradition. Before there was Tim Tebow, there was Tommie Frazier. Florida State and Miami showed Osborne and Huskers how to win during a series of beatdowns in the 1980s and 1990s. Osborne calmly took the knowledge, retooled and ended his coaching career with a flourish -- winning three out of four national championships.

Will it happen in the Big Ten? That's a key question. With 14 or 16 teams, there is the danger that Nebraska will become Purdue, a middling program with a diminished pedigree. Nebraska is at a tenuous point in its history. Football is strong, but not back -- not all the way. How will that comeback be affected by a Big Ten schedule?

Nebraska's history is filled with legendary players such as quarterback Tommy Frazier. (US Presswire)
Or does matter? Twenty million per year is 20 million for Big Ten schools. The figure reportedly will double in coming years if Delany does this expansion right. If not? Well, there is a chance that Nebraska will never be itself again. For all its greatness, the program does not have a recruiting base. The hire of Bill Callahan showed just how close Nebraska could be to ruin.

Now it is changing everything. Without Nebraska football, the state would be a slightly warmer South Dakota. With Nebraska football, the Big Ten has inherited a jewel that had better not be damaged.

These are humble, proud people who have created their own "brand." That goofy overalled mascot who roams the sidelines might be a stereotype but so is Osborne. He is a solid rock of a man who, for better or worse, has gotten to Nebraska to this point. It might be the high point of the school's history. Nebraska certainly is going to make money and make history, but it's also going to lose part of itself.

So when you officially admit Nebraska into the Big Ten, Jim, avert your eye from the bottom line for a second. The Huskers' decision didn't come lightly. Osborne probably told you at some point that Nebraska liked the Big 12 -- it loved the Big Eight even more. This Big Ten is going to take some getting used to.

All those great Oklahoma games? Relegated to the media guide for good unless the Sooners agree to a non-conference matchup.

All those Orange Bowls? Thank God for DVDs.

All those dollars? Nebraska just couldn't say no.

We ask just one thing, Jim. Treat them right. Roll out the red carpet for the Big Red. They're special.

Ultra Peanut · 06-10-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

We ask just one thing, Jim. Treat them right. Roll out the red carpet for the Big Red. They're special.

TrickyNicky · 06-10-2010, 05:56 AM

I hope you all FAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!

**DaKCMan AP** · 06-10-2010, 07:18 AM

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A Knoxville, Tenn., radio station reported the SEC told CBS that if the Big 10 expands to 16 teams, the SEC will keep pace by inviting FSU and Clemson, plus Texas and Texas A&M if they haven't changed leagues -- or UM and Georgia Tech otherwise.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/0...on-blasts.html

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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Big 10 Report: Conference Realignment A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska. Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is. He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports. "We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about." The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on. The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement. http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html Last edited by Mr. Laz; 06-10-2010 at 02:57 PM..
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-492950	The Big 12 is dead, I know many in this area are going to hold onto it because of teams like KU...but it's ****ed. The landscape of college football is massively changing. It's pretty obvious you'll eventually get 4 super conferences, which results in those 4 playing the winners playing and then that giving you your national champion.
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Bambi Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New York City Casino cash: $10036993	Wonder what the Pac-10 (Stanford) will think of this. NCAA hands down penalties to Colorado, Syracuse for academics PRINT EMAIL RSS ADD THIS 5 comments » Updated Jun 9, 2010 4:12 PM ET INDIANAPOLIS (AP) The NCAA's big boys are beating up on the smaller schools in the classroom, too. Only seven of the 137 teams sanctioned Wednesday for poor scores on the Academic Progress Rate come from BCS conferences. One squad, Portland State's men's basketball team, will be banned from next season's NCAA tournament. Colorado and Syracuse were the only power conference schools to make the list in the three highest-profile sports - football or men's and women's basketball. The men's basketball teams at both schools and the Colorado football team all were sanctioned for falling short of the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate cutline of 925. The APR measures the classroom performance of every Division I team and is based on data collected from 2005-06 through 2008-09. Colorado will lose one scholarship in men's basketball and up to four scholarships in football. The Buffaloes scored 920 in football and 897 in basketball. The Orange's basketball team scored 912 and could lose up to two basketball scholarships if academically ineligible players leave school before next season. Colorado was one of 10 schools to be sanctioned in both sports, though the other nine all compete in the Football Championship Subdivision. And four of those 10 are Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Clearly, school size matters. Only four BCS teams, other than those at Colorado and Syracuse, face penalties: men's outdoor track teams at Auburn and Cincinnati, the men's indoor track team at Auburn and the women's rowing team at West Virginia. The other 130 teams, including 20 football and men's basketball teams that face scholarship losses, a reduction in practice time or both, come from smaller conferences. The APR is billed as a real-time academic measure of every Division I team. Each athlete receives one point per semester for remaining academically eligible and another point each semester for remaining at that school or graduating. A mathematical formula is then used to calculate a final team score with 1,000 points being perfect. Teams falling below 925 can face conditional scholarship losses. Teams consistently falling below 900 can be penalized more harshly. Florida International and Southeastern Louisiana each had seven teams penalized, the most in Division I. The other schools with more than two teams on the list are McNeese State with six; Cal State-Fullerton, Chicago State, Delaware State, Howard and Nicholls State with four; Georgia Southern, Portland State, Southern University, Southern Utah, Tennessee-Chattanooga and Texas-San Antonio with three. Tennessee-Chattanooga avoided a second straight postseason ban in football despite scoring 885 because the team showed "demonstrated improvement'' over last year's score of 870.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-982442	Great article http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13501955 Dear Big Ten: Roll out the red carpet for the Big Red They're special, Jim, so be kind. In fact, a red carpet of some kind wouldn't be considered over the top. They are the Big Red. The only Big Red that matters. Nebraska. A program that forged its reputation playing walk-ons from the state's cornfields. It was recruiting New Jersey before Rutgers had a clue. At one time, its coaches used to know California better than The Governator. It is a national program with incredibly deep local roots so be gentle, Jim, because Nebraska football isn't a "brand" or "inventory" as you like to call the games you sell to networks. Nebraska football isn't just something to fill air time on the Big Ten Network. It is a culture. It is brawn. It is Outlands, Heismans. It is the Great Plains version of Michigan -- with its pride still intact. Now it's all yours, Jim. Don't mess it up. Don't make Nebraska football into ... Purdue, something lost in the haze of a 16-team conference. I'm talking to you, Jim Delany. This is on you, the Big Ten commissioner. You didn't just invite a school or a team or a program. You invited a state, its people, its past, its future, its ethic. You invited 45 percent of Notre Dame Stadium. That's the percentage of red that showed up in the Irish's football shrine when the teams met in 2000. You invited one half of the Game of the Century. You invited those thousands of balloons that are released into the Lincoln sky after the home team's first touchdown. You invited Devaney, Osborne, Gill, Rozier, Alberts, Wistrom and Suh. You invited the Corn Belt to the Rust Belt. Will the fit be more comfortable than Nebraska's long-distance relationship with Texas? We'll see. Nebraska AD/legend Tom Osborne didn't want to leave the Big 12. He really didn't. Nebraska would have been fine staying in the conference if Texas hadn't taken over the league in everything from academics to finances. Once Texas issued that "ultimatum" last week, it was over. Nebraska knew it couldn't go back to a league where one of the members was issuing deadlines. It is sad because the Huskers have played members of the old Big Eight for a century. It usually beat the hell out of Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State but that's beside the point. Back then, they were all partners who genuinely liked each other. Now a school like Kansas suddenly finds itself reduced to second-class citizen status. At least KU has basketball to perhaps save it. Where is Kansas State going to end up? Where is Kansas City going to end up? If the dominoes topple as projected, the ancestral home of the Big Eight/Big 12 is diminished. The city hosted multiple Big Eight/Big 12 tournaments and those leagues' championship games. The city built the Sprint Center just so the Big 12 wouldn't move the basketball tournament. Now what does it do? Nebraska's in the Big Ten, Missouri might be headed there. Iowa State will end up in the Mountain West, if it's lucky. It's all collateral damage and it's only the beginning. The way it looks, Jim, this isn't going to be expansion, it's going to be waterboarding for the affected fans. Nebraska today, Notre Dame tomorrow, Syracuse on Monday. It's all so torturous and tawdry. Nebraska is not a domino to be tipped over, Jim, it is a tradition. Before there was Tim Tebow, there was Tommie Frazier. Florida State and Miami showed Osborne and Huskers how to win during a series of beatdowns in the 1980s and 1990s. Osborne calmly took the knowledge, retooled and ended his coaching career with a flourish -- winning three out of four national championships. Will it happen in the Big Ten? That's a key question. With 14 or 16 teams, there is the danger that Nebraska will become Purdue, a middling program with a diminished pedigree. Nebraska is at a tenuous point in its history. Football is strong, but not back -- not all the way. How will that comeback be affected by a Big Ten schedule? Nebraska's history is filled with legendary players such as quarterback Tommy Frazier. (US Presswire) Or does matter? Twenty million per year is 20 million for Big Ten schools. The figure reportedly will double in coming years if Delany does this expansion right. If not? Well, there is a chance that Nebraska will never be itself again. For all its greatness, the program does not have a recruiting base. The hire of Bill Callahan showed just how close Nebraska could be to ruin. Now it is changing everything. Without Nebraska football, the state would be a slightly warmer South Dakota. With Nebraska football, the Big Ten has inherited a jewel that had better not be damaged. These are humble, proud people who have created their own "brand." That goofy overalled mascot who roams the sidelines might be a stereotype but so is Osborne. He is a solid rock of a man who, for better or worse, has gotten to Nebraska to this point. It might be the high point of the school's history. Nebraska certainly is going to make money and make history, but it's also going to lose part of itself. So when you officially admit Nebraska into the Big Ten, Jim, avert your eye from the bottom line for a second. The Huskers' decision didn't come lightly. Osborne probably told you at some point that Nebraska liked the Big 12 -- it loved the Big Eight even more. This Big Ten is going to take some getting used to. All those great Oklahoma games? Relegated to the media guide for good unless the Sooners agree to a non-conference matchup. All those Orange Bowls? Thank God for DVDs. All those dollars? Nebraska just couldn't say no. We ask just one thing, Jim. Treat them right. Roll out the red carpet for the Big Red. They're special.
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