****The Chris Jones Thread****

[Dante84]

He's our guy: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...t-chris-jones/

Coming to KC soon. #Salute pic.twitter.com/dFDRuUdDt3

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) April 30, 2016

Here's a bunch of his tape:

Spoiler!

.@PFF_Mike explains why the Chiefs just landed a highly-underrated DT in Chris Jones. https://t.co/b0G66chLl5 pic.twitter.com/iVQ0KXqY7s

— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) April 29, 2016

My scouting report on #Chiefs DL Chris Jones, who I believe has elite potential in NFLhttps://t.co/Nc2mJFYJEn pic.twitter.com/pIlxuf67iz

— Jon Ledyard (@LedyardNFLDraft) April 29, 2016

[RunKC]

Wow DJ so you're going all in for 1 player and then waiting until the mid 5th Rd? I don't think I'd do that with this draft.

I think In a deep draft like this, you want as many picks as you can get in the top 100 bc the talent there is so good compared to other years.

Of course this depends on what happens. If Chris Jones ends up like our other 2nd rd pick Mitch Morse and KeiVarae Russell ends up like 3rd rd pick Travis Kelce, then we're in business.

All depends on the success of guys we picked, which btw I agree with you about Ehinger being a reach.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Wow DJ so you're going all in for 1 player and then waiting until the mid 5th Rd? I don't think I'd do that with this draft.

I think In a deep draft like this, you want as many picks as you can get in the top 100 bc the talent there is so good compared to other years.

Of course this depends on what happens. If Chris Jones ends up like our other 2nd rd pick Mitch Morse and KeiVarae Russell ends up like 3rd rd pick Travis Kelce, then we're in business.

All depends on the success of guys we picked, which btw I agree with you about Ehinger being a reach.

What the ****? When did I say that?

No. We stay at 28 and still have our 2nd. I'd have gladly sacrificed our 4th and probably next year's 3rd to move up. If I couldn't, I'd have stood pat at 28, taken Jack and red-shirted him (with the luxury of that 5th year player option that I still kept because I didn't foolishly trade out of the round).

And I actually liked the trade back in 2nd, I just thought it was particularly chicken-shit given his approach to the first and how blatantly obvious it was he had a hard-on to get back into the third round. Trading out in the 2nd is fine because there truly is very little consequence at that point. You don't lose any team control. It was just absurd to me that he sat there again and didn't use any of the accumulated draft capital he gained with his original trade down or that he'll have next year given the likely comp picks. Instead he just continued to sit there and hope and just kept rolling snakeyes.

As to Morse - the problem is that you can't hold Jones to the standard of a 2nd rounder because that's not what he was. He was our first rounder; we just bailed out of that pick for a pittance. Had they simply forgotten to turn the card in for 9 picks and then taken him, we'd have still used our 1st round pick to acquire him. That's essentially what we did here, we just picked up a bleh draft pick for our efforts and proceeded to use that pick pretty poorly.

Turning the 2nd into Russell and Murray was great; liked it a lot. Turning the first into Jones and Ehringer...blech.

[Chiefnj2]

Jones or Hargrave? Who will be the better penetrating lineman 3 years from now?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Turning the 2nd into Russell and Murray was great; liked it a lot. Turning the first into Jones and Ehringer...blech.

I agree but if Erhringer becomes the player that they expect, the trade will have been a success.

Keep in mind, this is a 6'6, 310 technician that's started 51 games at three offensive line positions. Reid's had great luck in the past with Cincinnati players (Travis Kelce, Jason Kelce, Brent Celek and Trent Cole) so he's obviously happy with that particular program.

I couldn't help but think they'd take Westerman, McGovern or Boehm but I'm not going to criticize the choice, due to Reid's past, until if/when the player fails.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I agree but if Erhringer becomes the player that they expect, the trade will have been a success.

Keep in mind, this is a 6'6, 310 technician that's started 51 games at three offensive line positions. Reid's had great luck in the past with Cincinnati players (Travis Kelce, Jason Kelce, Brent Celek and Trent Cole) so he's obviously happy with that particular program.

I couldn't help but think they'd take Westerman, McGovern or Boehm but I'm not going to criticize the choice, due to Reid's past, until if/when the player fails.

This is basically how I feel about the pick.

I will say I felt a lot better about it after watching one of his 2014 games at RG though.

I'd put LDT back at LG and let Ehinger, Reid, and Fulton battle it out at RG.

Here's the game if anybody wants to check it out (Dadi Nicholas is in this game too):

http://youtu.be/jCMRkYnmYPk

[staylor26]

As far as raw talent goes, Jones may have more than any other defensive lineman in the draft class. He posted a plus-32.5 pass rushing grade against Power Five competition, which was higher than even DeForest Buckner, who was drafted inside the top 10. He'll immediately add some juice to the Chiefs pass rush and has the height (6-6) and length (34 ½-inch arms) to play the run on early downs."

From PFF.

[gonefishin53]

NT Alameda Ta'amu was an under the radar signing this off season. His size (6'3" 248 lbs), strength ( 35 BP reps), and agility (7.52 secs 3 cone) numbers coming out of college makes him a rare athlete for the NT position if the Chiefs training and coaching staff can get him performing to his potential. First unit of Jones, Poe, Bailey and second unit of Howard, Ta'amu, Nunez-Roches would make the Chief's Dline a big, strong, and athletic group for opposing Olines to overcome.

[ct]

Originally Posted by gonefishin53

NT Alameda Ta'amu was an under the radar signing this off season. His size (6'3" 248 lbs), strength ( 35 BP reps), and agility (7.52 secs 3 cone) numbers coming out of college makes him a rare athlete for the NT position if the Chiefs training and coaching staff can get him performing to his potential. First unit of Jones, Poe, Bailey and second unit of Howard, Ta'amu, Nunez-Roches would make the Chief's Dline a big, strong, and athletic group for opposing Olines to overcome.

Am i the only one who think chris jones is more of a playing time threat to allen bailey than jay howard or dontari poe?

[RunKC]

Dorsey knows there is a better chance that Poe is gone than resigning him. Guys like Kyle Williams and Damon Harrison are making $9.25 and $10 million, so it's no secret that he will want at least $10 million with the probability of that being the baseline.

As for Dorsey's strategy, I agree with it so much bc getting Murray/Russell and Ehinger presents so much value. It was clear that the impact guys were gone, so you get guys who could be solid football players. Guys like Sean Smith and Husain Abdullah who are just good players, but not pro bowlers or elite guys.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ct

Am i the only one who think chris jones is more of a playing time threat to allen bailey than jay howard or dontari poe?

My guess is.. if he earns it right away, CJ will provide some fresh snaps behind both RDE and LDE for 2016... as well as some snaps inside at DT when in 4 DL packages.

They can give Poe or Howard rest by sliding CJ to DE as Poe or Howard is in at NT.

In 2017, if Poe walks.. Howard can stay inside at NT, as CJ stays at DE.

[ct]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

My guess is.. if he earns it right away, CJ will provide some fresh snaps behind both RDE and LDE for 2016... as well as some snaps inside at DT when in 4 DL packages.

They can give Poe or Howard rest by sliding CJ to DE as Poe or Howard is in at NT.

In 2017, if Poe walks.. Howard can stay inside at NT, as CJ stays at DE.

i just see jones more as the penetrator than space eater, which is more what we do with bailey in sub packages

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I agree but if Erhringer becomes the player that they expect, the trade will have been a success.

Keep in mind, this is a 6'6, 310 technician that's started 51 games at three offensive line positions. Reid's had great luck in the past with Cincinnati players (Travis Kelce, Jason Kelce, Brent Celek and Trent Cole) so he's obviously happy with that particular program.

I couldn't help but think they'd take Westerman, McGovern or Boehm but I'm not going to criticize the choice, due to Reid's past, until if/when the player fails.

You just kinda have to look at the history of 4th round picks and realize that the odds overwhelmingly suggest that the kid will pretty much be jack shit.

It's not until you sit down and look at the large numbers that you realize just how little 4th rounders and later tend to contribute. Yeah, you can find guys that do because there's a shitload of people picked in the 4th round and later but the percentages are staggering. You're talking about around 1 in 10 guys that become meaningful contributors. If you squint you could maybe get that to 1 in 5.

Do you look at Ehringer and see a better player than Pughsley? Do you see a guy that's likely to be one of the 5-6ish players taken in that round that truly matter?

"If X becomes the player we expect" is kinda the battle cry of the maligned general manager. It's kinda the 'if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle' of the NFL.

It's just been over the last couple of years that I really started looking at historical returns on late-round picks and realized that over large numbers, these guys really just rarely matter at all and when I see a guy that looks shockingly limited but was probably something of a coach's pick, I'm immediately very skeptical.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You just kinda have to look at the history of 4th round picks and realize that the odds overwhelmingly suggest that the kid will pretty much be jack shit.

It's not until you sit down and look at the large numbers that you realize just how little 4th rounders and later tend to contribute. Yeah, you can find guys that do because there's a shitload of people picked in the 4th round and later but the percentages are staggering. You're talking about around 1 in 10 guys that become meaningful contributors. If you squint you could maybe get that to 1 in 5.

Do you look at Ehringer and see a better player than Pughsley? Do you see a guy that's likely to be one of the 5-6ish players taken in that round that truly matter?

"If X becomes the player we expect" is kinda the battle cry of the maligned general manager. It's kinda the 'if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle' of the NFL.

It's just been over the last couple of years that I really started looking at historical returns on late-round picks and realized that over large numbers, these guys really just rarely matter at all and when I see a guy that looks shockingly limited but was probably something of a coach's pick, I'm immediately very skeptical.

Moreso, I think you can look at said players that hit and find that they come from pretty much the same handful of teams.

Hopefully Dorsey becomes one of those guys as he's shown to have a good eye for talent.

People malign Fulton but considering where he was oucked, that's a success. I'd like to see him take the lg spot

[RunKC]

Pro Football Focus@PFF-Chiefs 2nd-round pick Chris Jones earned the No. 1 pass-rush grade among defensive tackles in college football last yeaar.

[BossChief]

Let's not set unrealistic expectations for the kid. We're all excited about his potential, but we should be ready for his rookie year to be very underwhelming. Very, very few Dal transition to the NFL and are productive players right away.

I'm kinda expecting him to suck as a rookie.

But 2 years from now....

WATCH OUT.