Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[wazu]

I like the new system. Makes more sense. Although I question some of your choices with giving Thomas Jones the nod as "starter" just because he technically was the first player on the field. I would give Jamaal Charles the max allowable starts, and let the voters base it on that. Hell with Haley's bizarre choices. He knows who his "money" player is.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Adam

I like the new system. Makes more sense. Although I question some of your choices with giving Thomas Jones the nod as "starter" just because he technically was the first player on the field. I would give Jamaal Charles the max allowable starts, and let the voters base it on that. Hell with Haley's bizarre choices. He knows who his "money" player is.

The Charles thing is indeed weird, but if we follow the system then he shares it with Jones. The good thing is that we all have the same pair, so it's neutral. Maybe we address special situations like that as we diverge.

I'll go ahead and post these rosters in the main lounge now.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Charles thing is indeed weird, but if we follow the system then he shares it with Jones. The good thing is that we all have the same pair, so it's neutral. Maybe we address special situations like that as we diverge.

I'll go ahead and post these rosters in the main lounge now.

Yeah, sorry I didn't post sooner. Your roster adjustment looked fine to me. 3 WR vs 2 WR and 1 TE don't really matter when all your receivers are garbage. Sigh.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Yeah, sorry I didn't post sooner. Your roster adjustment looked fine to me. 3 WR vs 2 WR and 1 TE don't really matter when all your receivers are garbage. Sigh.

Yeah, all of our receivers are weak, just like the Chiefs. Chiefscafan is doing okay with Crabtree, I guess, and I'm glad I didn't trade away Gonzalez.

[Rain Man]

Okay, everyone. You can add the following mid-season pickups to your training camp roster.

LB Anderson, Charlie
LB Bakhtiari, Eric
LB Cole, Justin
WR Curtis, Kevin
LB Johnson, Micah
QB Palko, Tyler
TE Slate, Cody
NT Toribio, Anthony
LB Simoneau, Mark
WR Williams, Chandler

These guys all came aboard during the season, right? If not, let me know.

[chiefscafan]

So I'll have my picks tomorrow

[Rain Man]

Okay, everyone who's playing can make their drafts now.

[chiefscafan]

2011 draft picks

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

[Rain Man]

Picking up someone to compete with Charles at RB, eh?


How did we get the extra 3rd and 5th again? I don't recall.

[chiefscafan]

Rainman Ingram is the replacement to Thomas jones one two punch of Ingram and Charles.

We got the extra fifth for Alex Magee to bucs

The extra third happened when we traded down from 21 to 27 that became 26.


unlike the chiefs I'm weak at TE and safety because I didn't draft moeaki and Lewis

[Rain Man]

Hmm. None of us had Magee on our roster at the time of the trade, but then again we're still building our unique rosters and Magee was a scrub. Let's make the call that everyone gets the 5th-round pick. Once we have full rosters we won't get the picks if a player who is traded is not on our own roster, or we'll have to come up with some sort of alternate system such as trading the player who is in the same spot on the depth chart.

[Rain Man]

First off, I'll accept the trade down of our 1st round pick to get the first and the third, like the Chiefs did.

I'm also going to trade down on my second third-round pick (86th pick) with the Rams. It's worth 160 draft points, so if I get only 65 percent of the value, that's 104 points. I'll trade it to the Rams for their 112th pick (70 points) and their 158th pick (29.2 points) and their 228th pick (<3 points).
My draft:

1 26th pick DE Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
2 55th pick C Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)
3 70th pick WR Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
4 112th pick WR Greg Salas (Rams)
4 118th pick K Alex Henery (Eagles)
5 135th pick SS Shiloh Keo (Texans)
5 140th pick OT Jason Pinkston (Browns)
5 158th pick OLB Chris Carter (Steelers)
6 199th pick OLB Bruce Miller (49ers)
7 223rd pick G Lee Ziemba (Panthers)
7 228th pick DT Lawrence Guy (Packers)


Here's my training camp roster so far. (Note that it'll get added with any NFL Chiefs free agents in training camp.)

Red are my new rookies.
Blue are street free agents picked up so far by the real Chiefs.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets) - 16/16/16
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) - 0/10/13
Brodie Croyle - 0/1/16
Tyler Palko

HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
C.J. Spiller. (Bills) 0/1/14
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16

FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers, WR - 13/7/13
Derrick Williams (Lions) - 3/1/7
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3
Kevin Curtis
Chandler Williams
Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Greg Salas (Rams)

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons) - 16/16/16
Leonard Pope, 6/6/16 (starting as blocker)
Cody Slate

OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 11/1/11
Wade Smith - 7/1/16 (1 as G, 6 as T)
Alex Boone (49ers) - 0/0/1
Jason Pinkston (Browns)

G
Brian Waters - 16/16/16
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Bruce Campbell (Raiders) - 0/0/10
Duke Robinson (Panthers) - 0/0/0
Lee Ziemba (Panthers)

C
Wiegmann, Casey - 16/16/16
Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)


K
(Scrub) - 16/16
Alex Henery (Eagles)

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 9/1/10 (6 as FS, 3 as SS)

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins) - 13/1/13
Shiloh Keo (Texans)

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
D.J. Moore (Bears) 1/0/16
Travis Daniels, CB - 0/0/16

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals) - 15/15/15
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers) - 15/1/15
Andy Studebaker - 2/0/16
Charlie Anderson
Eric Bakhtiari
Justin Cole
Chris Carter (Steelers)
Bruce Miller (49ers)

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16
Micah Johnson
Mark Simoneau

DE
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Wallace Gilberry 16/2/16
Alex Carrington (Bills) 0/0/9
Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)

DT
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Ron Edwards - 8/15/15
Smith, Shaun - 8/10/16
Myron Pryor (Patriots) 0/2/9
Anthony Toribio
Lawrence Guy (Packers)

[wazu]

FYI - I'm going to do this. Haven't gotten my act together yet, but will before training camp begins, assuming there is a training camp.

[Rain Man]

I wanted to take Bruce Carter at OLB, but couldn't pass up on Bowers. And then I was able to get Bruce Miller and Chris Carter, so I think I have the whole Bruce Carter thing covered anyway.

[patteeu]

I accept the trade down of the first pick. Here's my draft and my roster:

1 26th pick - Jonathan Baldwin WR
2 55th pick - Rodney Hudson G/C
3 70th pick - Justin Houston DE
3 86th pick - Johnny Patrick CB
4 118th pick - Julius Thomas TE
5 135th pick - Ricky Stanzi QB
5 140th pick - Karl Klug DE
6 199th pick - Jerrell Powe DT
7 223rd pick - Shane Bannon RB

QB
Matt Cassel - 15/15/15
Brodie Croyle - 1/1/16
QB Palko, Tyler
Ricky Stanzi (Iowa)


HB
Jamaal Charles - 6/6/16
Thomas Jones - 10/10/16
Jackie Battle - 0/0/16


FB
Tim Castille, FB 10/4/10
Shane Bannon


WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16/16/16
Chris Chambers - 11/7/13
Dexter McCluster - 11/7/11
David Reed (Ravens) - 0/0/13
Jeremy Horne - 0/0/3
WR Curtis, Kevin
WR Williams, Chandler
Jonathan Baldwin (Pittsburgh)

TE
Leonard Pope - 16/6/16
Brad Cottam 0/0/0
TE Slate, Cody
Julius Thomas (Portland State)


OT
Branden Albert - 15/15/15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1/1/11
Brian Waters - 16/16/16 (at T)


G
Lilja, Ryan - 15/15/15
Jon Asamoah - 15/1/16
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2/2/10


C
Rudy Niswanger - 16/0/16
Matt Tennant (Saints) - 0/0/16
Rodney Hudson (Florida State)

K
Ryan Succop - 16/16/16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16/16/16

FS
Kendrick Lewis - 10/10/10
Jarrad Page (Patriots) 6/1/10

SS
Eric Berry - 16/16/16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15/15/15
Brandon Carr - 16/16/16
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 1/12/16
Johnny Patrick (Louisville)


OLB
Tamba Hali - 16/16/16
Mike Vrabel - 16/16/16
Andy Studebaker - 0/0/16



ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16/16/16
Sean Lee (Cowboys) - 14/0/14
Corey Mays - 2/0/16
Demorrio Williams - 0/0/16
LB Anderson, Charlie
LB Bakhtiari, Eric
LB Cole, Justin
LB Johnson, Micah
LB Simoneau, Mark

DE
Glenn Dorsey - 16/16/16
Tyson Jackson - 3/3/12
Smith, Shaun - 13/10/16
Wallace Gilberry 0/2/16
Justin Houston (Georgia)
Karl Klug (Iowa)

DT
Ron Edwards - 15/15/15
Tank Tyler (Panthers) - 0/0/0
Anthony Toribio - 1/0/5
Jerrell Powe (Ole Miss)