Bob McGinn-scouts/personnel thoughts on the draft

[RunKC]

WR up first

Bob McGinn WR rankings

Bob McGinn's annual draft rankings are starting to be released and the WR group dropped today. For those who aren't familiar with McGinn, he has been doing this for decades, is highly reputable and is well ingrained in the scouting community.

As you'll see it's not a great class to be needing a WR with several of the top guys having some work ethic/diva concerns. Take the diva characterizations as you will as we know there are plenty of examples of successful receivers that meet this criteria.

**Quotes on the overall class:** “There’s maybe three or four top guys,” an AFC executive said. “There’s a lot of Day 3 meat. It’s not very top-heavy.”

“This receiver group is terrible,” an NFC personnel man said. “Absolutely terrible. There’s nothing here. Guys are going to move up a round or two just because it’s a terrible year. A third-rounder is going to be taken in the first and a fourth-rounder in the second. That’s how weak this group is. And it’s been great the last X amount of years.”

**#1 Tet McMillan:** “He’s big and strong, and he’s fast enough,” a third scout said. “He’s going to be one of those guys that will line up in a West Coast-type offense and beat you down on his routes and throw you off and make plays. That’s what he does. He’ll work the middle of the field between the numbers and just give you a headache all day*long. He’s a No. 1 (receiver). He’s a hard worker. Sky’s the limit.”*

*“The 2023 film is a lot better than this year,” a fifth scout said. “He was in protection mode this year. There’s stuff on film this year that’s just gross. The lack of competitiveness is just disturbing at times. Very undisciplined route runner. Big-play potential but too many times it didn’t happen. Not overly physical for a big guy but he’s got natural ball skills. His feet are awesome for a 6-4 dude. He’s a real smooth operator. He’s slippery in run-after-the-catch and he’s got pretty good speed. It’s just, which guy are you going to get? He’s a really immature kid. He’s a poster child for this NIL shit. They kiss his ass to get him to stay and then they do what they want.”

**#2 Matthew Golden:** “He is a great kid, and he could rise because of who he is,” said a third scout. “There’s not a whole lot of negatives on him other than (size). He’s fast enough to play outside. He doesn’t have runaway, home-run speed as a returner but it’s good enough.” Third-year junior from Houston. “Crafty little guy,” a fourth scout said. “Doesn’t have great hands. Not much magic after the catch. You have to get it to him quick. Just a guy, really. I don’t see him being a starter.”

**#3 Luther Burden:** “You wish you had bigger and faster for outside but he’s a good enough player to do it,” one scout said. “He’s probably most effective in the slot. There’s some really strong comparisons to Deebo Samuel. He’s got great hands. Really natural after the catch. Has vision, elusiveness, strength, toughness. One of the worst practice players you’ve ever seen but his talent on the field makes you take notice. There’s times when his routes are lacking but it’s more like effort and discipline (than) talent.**"**

“He’s a 5-star, they kiss his ass for three years just to keep him there,” another scout said. “The girlfriend is his manager. The mom is a problem. But he’s a good player on Saturday and he’s very ordinary Monday through Friday. That’s an area he’s really going to have to improve. I thought his tape from 2023 was better than 2024 but I also thought the quarterback play was a little better a year ago. If you take him you’re gritting your teeth that you’re going to have a (Sunday) player who isn’t going to add much to your team the other five, six days of the week. He’s a shaky first-rounder and a little more of a second-rounder because you can’t get anybody to really sign off on a clean bill of health as far as the personality and the intangibles.”*

**#4 Emeka Egbuka:***“He’s got really good hands and great instincts. He’s got good vision and he’s physical with the ball in his hand. He’s tough. He’s just not a speed demon like the guys we’ve known down through the years. Second round makes total sense. Good football player. You can put him at X or the slot. You want him as a matchup problem because he’s got size and he’s physical.”

“He’s a solid second-rounder,” a second scout said. “There’s no flash to him or anything like that. He’s a second or third receiver. I don’t think he’s a*go-to guy. He doesn’t make anything wow.” Five-star recruit from Steilacoom, Wash. “He’s like Jaxon Smith-Njigba but not as good,” a third scout said. “He’s a slot guy. Not very explosive. Good hands, not much run after the catch. He’s OK. He’s a third guy.”

**#5 Isaiah Bond:** “Prototypical what you would think of in a wide receiver: just generic boilerplate, selfish, diva wide receiver,” said one scout. “But, God, he’s got an incredible skill set. He’s really fast and he’s athletic. He can win with speed, with quickness. His run after (the catch) is amazing. Great ball skills. You wish a guy with his skill set had a better overall body of work in terms of production. He’s first-round talent but combine character and production and whether he goes there I don’t know.”*

“Doesn’t separate well, average hands. He’s not very good. Not productive at all.” Led his high-school team in Buford, Ga., to three state titles. Also won state championships in the 100 meters (10.48 personal best) and 200 meters (21.05). “He’s not very big but has big-time speed and athletic ability and good hands,” said a third scout. “He’s tough despite his size.”

**My view:** From a talent level, Tet seems to be the only one who should be in consideration at 8. Even if the Panthers are high on Golden or another receiver from this class it would be likely bypassing a better prospect on the defensive side at a position of need. I'll continue to be in the camp that a defensive player will be taken at 8 and a WR would be an option in a trade back scenario.

[MahomesMagic]

**#5 Isaiah Bond:** “Prototypical what you would think of in a wide receiver: just generic boilerplate, selfish, diva wide receiver,” said one scout. “But, God, he’s got an incredible skill set. He’s really fast and he’s athletic. He can win with speed, with quickness. His run after (the catch) is amazing. Great ball skills. You wish a guy with his skill set had a better overall body of work in terms of production. He’s first-round talent but combine character and production and whether he goes there I don’t know.”*


Welcome to Kansas City.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

**#5 Isaiah Bond:** “Prototypical what you would think of in a wide receiver: just generic boilerplate, selfish, diva wide receiver,” said one scout. “But, God, he’s got an incredible skill set. He’s really fast and he’s athletic. He can win with speed, with quickness. His run after (the catch) is amazing. Great ball skills. You wish a guy with his skill set had a better overall body of work in terms of production. He’s first-round talent but combine character and production and whether he goes there I don’t know.”*


Welcome to Kansas City.

Funny, I keep thinking about this very specific quote about this specific player as well. Bond is falling in projections from late 1st - 2nd rounder to 3rd-4th rounder, and in those later middle rounds he sounds like a steal! Would be a good fit to take Brown’s spot when he moves on maybe.

Here’s my question, why wasn’t he more productive if he’s that talented?

[Boxer_Chief]

I want Tuten so bad. That speed is what we need at rb. Also want burden at 31. Those two immensely help our offense. DT in round 2.

[Chiefnj2]

RunKC, thanks for paying and posting.

Lots of great nuggets from what he is reporting scouts are saying compared to the talking heads. Also, a lot more info on character and off field issues.

It’ll be a fun draft with lots of variance on players. I’ve seen Lott the DT from Tenn on some top 5 position boards, here he is outside the top ten. Amos seems very low here as well.

DT still seems like it will be the best value at 31.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Funny, I keep thinking about this very specific quote about this specific player as well. Bond is falling in projections from late 1st - 2nd rounder to 3rd-4th rounder, and in those later middle rounds he sounds like a steal! Would be a good fit to take Brown’s spot when he moves on maybe.

Here’s my question, why wasn’t he more productive if he’s that talented?

He jacked up his ankle in like Week 4 and it affected him all season. More importantly though, he has that sexual assault arrest warrant he turned himself in on.k

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

He jacked up his ankle in like Week 4 and it affected him all season. More importantly though, he has that sexual assault arrest warrant he turned himself in on.k

I'm out on the guy. That's a no go for me.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

He jacked up his ankle in like Week 4 and it affected him all season. More importantly though, he has that sexual assault arrest warrant he turned himself in on.k

Well, both great answers lol.

[Couch-Potato]

How high was LSU’s WR Lacy projected before his car crash incident?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

How high was LSU’s WR Lacy projected before his car crash incident?

2nd round. It really sucks because I really wanted that kid to be a Chief. He's going to see serious prison time if he's guilty. Lacy was charged with negligent homicide, felony hit-and-run with death, and reckless operation of a vehicle

[Wallymo]

Originally Posted by kccrow

2nd round. It really sucks because I really wanted that kid to be a Chief. He's going to see serious prison time if he's guilty. Lacy was charged with negligent homicide, felony hit-and-run with death, and reckless operation of a vehicle

What a tragedy all around.

[Chiefnj2]

FWIW, Chris Simms just ranked OL and has his top OT’s:
1. Membou
2. Simmons
3.Ersery

He feels Campbell, Banks and Conerly are guards at the NFL level.
He doesn’t think Conerly has the anchor strength to play LT. He’s an elite athlete , good run blocking.

[kcbubb]

Thanks for posting runkc. Is this a good guard class? Seems like a lot of athletic and physical guards in that list. Seeing that list makes me want to trade Trey smith.

[Snerd]

I’m surprised that Damien Martinez isn’t even mentioned in the rundown of the running backs.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

FWIW, Chris Simms just ranked OL and has his top OT’s:
1. Membou
2. Simmons
3.Ersery

He feels Campbell, Banks and Conerly are guards at the NFL level.
He doesn’t think Conerly has the anchor strength to play LT. He’s an elite athlete , good run blocking.

Chris Simms is a terrible OL evaluator, historically. If a guy doesn't have anchor at T, he's not going to have it at G. That's not an indicator of why a guy should go to G.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

FWIW, Chris Simms just ranked OL and has his top OT’s:
1. Membou
2. Simmons
3.Ersery

He feels Campbell, Banks and Conerly are guards at the NFL level.
He doesn’t think Conerly has the anchor strength to play LT. He’s an elite athlete , good run blocking.

Listening to it, I would say he has Membou and Simmons more like 1a and 1b. And he seemed pretty sold on Ersery as a 1st rounder. Also his weirdest take was he thought Tyler Booker could maybe play OT.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Chris Simms is a terrible OL evaluator, historically. If a guy doesn't have anchor at T, he's not going to have it at G. That's not an indicator of why a guy should go to G.

That was my first thought as well, but I guess we did just see Thuney struggle with power at LT in a way he didn't at LG.