Who's your dark horse?

[staylor26]

We all know Dorsey is full of surprises on draft day. Why should this year be any different?

T.J. Green, CB/S, Clemson- 6'2" with a 4.34 40. Former WR (very good ball skills). This guy screams Dorsey to me. Flashed in man coverage, but he's only played safety. Was a physical player at the safety position, so with his athletic ability he is a very intriguing potential press man convert. Green Bay made a similar move (safety to corner convert) with Randle last year and the Eagles did it with Rowe (though he had a year of experience in college at corner). He also "models his games after Eric Berry".

Daniel Jeremiah says his buddies in the scouting community tell him Green has a good shot at going at the end of the 1st to a press man team that views him as a corner.

HM: Cody Whitehair, Artie Burns (not as much of a "dark horse" now).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Our first round pick.

On a position that we got perfectly credible play from Daniel !@#$ing Sorenson at.

Given your willingness to use first round picks on 3rd safeties and/or slot WRs, where can I comfortably draw the line as to how marginalized a position must be before you would not use a first round pick on it?

Placekicker?
Punter?
Long-Snapper?

Y'know what - perfect solution that would satisfy you and the "trade our first round pick for 15 6th rounders" crowd - Let's trade our first round pick, then trade back with that return, and back and back and back until we can completely re-build our practice squad.

Dick.

Look how much we use 3 safeties.

I'm thinking more deone buchannan. Sorensen is ass

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Mackensie Alexander has the ball skills of William Bartee

That's bullshit. He clearly showed the ability to locate and make a play on the ball when given the opportunity. He just didn't have many and never came up with an interception, so his lack of ball skills is overblown.

[O.city]

A corners first objective is to keep the wr from making catches. Alexander is pretty good at that in straight routes.

The more I read on him I wonder how well he'd be chasing those guys that turn on a dime. He doesn't have Sean Smith's size to just swallow them

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson about trying to convert college safeties to CB years ago.

It don't work.

I gave two very recent examples that say otherwise.

I wouldn't do it with Bell, but Green has all the tools to be a great press man corner.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

A corners first objective is to keep the wr from making catches. Alexander is pretty good at that in straight routes.

The more I read on him I wonder how well he'd be chasing those guys that turn on a dime. He doesn't have Sean Smith's size to just swallow them

Go watch his tape. He gives up the inside way too easy. He did it a lot vs NC

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I gave two very recent examples that say otherwise.

I wouldn't do it with Bell, but Green has all the tools to be a great press man corner.

And there's about 509 more that didnt.

I don't MI d trying but I'd prefer not too

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Go watch his tape. He gives up the inside way too easy. He did it a lot vs NC

Well, that could be alot of reasons other than just getting beat.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

And there's about 509 more that didnt.

I don't MI d trying but I'd prefer not too

This is a different league now. It's happening a lot more often (both ways) with success.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Don't bother going back because it was a different league then. Just give me a recent example.

How is it different in that aspect?

It's possible but those 2 success stories seem more outliers

[RunKC]

Not sure I like the idea of TJ Green. Like his size/strength/speed etc but he's played safety one year and barely played CB.

Like Vonn Bell more if we go that route. More experience, better cover skills, more production.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

How is it different in that aspect?

It's possible but those 2 success stories seem more outliers

Because it's become a league about traits (and it's always been about trends).

You can take college safeties like Randle and Rowe with the elite measurables and traits to play corner and you let them run around and chase these athletes at the WR position. It isn't hard to coach a guy to play press man. That's why they were able to have success their rookie seasons despite the lack of experience.

For the record, I'm not saying we should do this, but this is the way it's being done right now, and I think it's a possibility we should consider Dorsey going with.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not sure I like the idea of TJ Green. Like his size/strength/speed etc but he's played safety one year and barely played CB.

Like Vonn Bell more if we go that route. More experience, better cover skills, more production.

But yet you strongly prefer WJ3 and Apple over Alexander. Strange contradiction.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So probably a tick better than Sean Smith, then?

So true

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd love a DB that goes lucking balls out of the air, but that's icing on the cake. Alexander has bad hands, but he does a great job of locating the ball and getting in the way of it.

I was neutral on Alexander until word began leaking that he was a bad interview.

Say what you want about "smokescreens", medical re-checks, etc. but character assassination is generally something teams avoid leaking, unless it's just unavoidable.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But yet you strongly prefer WJ3 and Apple over Alexander. Strange contradiction.

What I was pointing out is TJ Green is extremely raw and I don't want a project at 28. I think he's a Dee Ford type prospect that will take time wheras Bell is already experienced and ready.

And no I don't think it's a contradiction at all. Bell is 5'11 with arms that are longer with a much stronger body (16 bench reps). Plus he's not having reports of attitude or football IQ questions.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Darkhorse? Artie Burns. He's a little raw for a 1st rounder but some people are saying that he's just as talented as Apple.

The other issue the "Al Golden Effect", in which he seriously under-coached his players.

He's a good guess. I think he's a high 2nd rd prospect who could move into the first Rd. It wouldn't shock me since he's got a the physical matrix we like and our DB coaching staff is elite and proven.