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Old 04-17-2025, 02:31 PM  
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Call Your Shot: Who will be the Chiefs first pick in the 2025 NFL draft?

I'm going with Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio St.

I think the Chiefs would prefer a guy like Walter Nolen or Derrick Harmon falls into their lap, but I don't think that happens next Thursday night, or at least I'm not going to get me hopes up.

A lot of people will not like this pick, due to the injury risk, but the Chiefs take a swing at a T that otherwise would never be in that late 1st round range.

Side note: I could also see Josh Conerly being the pick and could've just as easily chose him. Upside isn't as high, but he's probably safer given his health.
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Old 04-22-2025, 09:38 AM   #256
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Really hard to pass on Luther Burden III if he's still there..
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Old 04-22-2025, 09:55 AM   #257
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Well...they have one WR who may miss some time this year due to suspension so I'm just not sure they're willing to get into that whole thing.

Maybe I'm off though.
Dead ****ing off.

That's like saying they would never draft another WR with an ego because TO was a dick to Andy 20 years ago. Just lazy logic.
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Old 04-22-2025, 09:59 AM   #258
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Dead ****ing off.

That's like saying they would never draft another WR with an ego because TO was a dick to Andy 20 years ago. Just lazy logic.
Well, they traded away the HOF WR that was a bit of an issue off field, now are having more issues.

Maybe it's just a WR thing you have to deal with, I dunno.

They've also spent a 1/2/2 on Wr's in consecutive drafts so I'm guessing they won't spend another 1 on one.
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Old 04-22-2025, 10:19 AM   #259
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Well, they traded away the HOF WR that was a bit of an issue off field, now are having more issues.

Maybe it's just a WR thing you have to deal with, I dunno.

They've also spent a 1/2/2 on Wr's in consecutive drafts so I'm guessing they won't spend another 1 on one.
I think they will draft the highest rated guy on their board at 31, unless they can trade up to get a guy who is tumbling well past their assigned slot.

That could be Egbuka or Burden. They can use either of those guys moving forward, especially in 2026, and get value from them in 2025, too.
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Old 04-22-2025, 10:28 AM   #260
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Well, they traded away the HOF WR that was a bit of an issue off field, now are having more issues.

Maybe it's just a WR thing you have to deal with, I dunno.

They've also spent a 1/2/2 on Wr's in consecutive drafts so I'm guessing they won't spend another 1 on one.
Because they couldn't afford to give him a record setting extension and were rewarded well for it.

Normally I'd agree that they wouldn't go WR again, but they aren't settled at the position and I'd rather add more there than overdraft some limp dick.
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Old 04-22-2025, 10:31 AM   #261
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Well...they have one WR who may miss some time this year due to suspension so I'm just not sure they're willing to get into that whole thing.

Maybe I'm off though.
But there's really not a "whole thing" with Burden.

I've met the guy. He's brash as hell on the field...not really off of it. At least not as a general rule.

Short story -- my buddy is at his oldest kids basketball game. His youngest has Leukemia (doing very well) and so she's become something of a mascot for Mizzou athletics this year. My friend has gotten to know some of these guys fairly well and Drink is sitting behind him at the game.

Drink starts face-timing with Burden after he runs his 40. Luther was evidently happy with his time. Whatever the case may be, he just says "Hey man, wanna talk to my friend X (my buddy's daughter)?"

Drink hands her his phone and Burden spends 10+ minutes after running his 40 chatting with this bald, waterlogged 7 year old who's just grinning from ear to ear.

To NO public benefit. Nobody knows that shit. There was no reason for him to have done it. He just did because he was there.

Luther Burden is nothing resembling a bad dude. He might - MIGHT - have some practice habit concerns. But that guy put his body in harms way every single Saturday trying to corral scattershot passes from his erratic, noodle-armed QB. He watched his draft stock get drilled last season with a funky offense and bad QB play and didn't bitch (loudly) about it.

There's zero reason to hammer Burden's character and honestly it has gotten to the point that the Draft Industrial Complex is just pissing me off because they're doing so. It's not fair to him at all.
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Old 04-22-2025, 10:34 AM   #262
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Well, they traded away the HOF WR that was a bit of an issue off field, now are having more issues.

Maybe it's just a WR thing you have to deal with, I dunno.

They've also spent a 1/2/2 on Wr's in consecutive drafts so I'm guessing they won't spend another 1 on one.
You can find a reason not to take any position if you mine deep enought.

"They just spent $30 million on a LT and drafted a long-term possibility in the 2nd last year"

"They've plowed so much money into DT and they need a nose to complement Jones more than a 1-gap guy; do you really want to take a 2-gap DT that high?"

Name a position on this team and I can give you a reason NOT to take one.

So just take the best talent. And there's absolutely a scenario where that guy is Burden.
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Old 04-22-2025, 10:43 AM   #263
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You can find a reason not to take any position if you mine deep enought.

"They just spent $30 million on a LT and drafted a long-term possibility in the 2nd last year"

"They've plowed so much money into DT and they need a nose to complement Jones more than a 1-gap guy; do you really want to take a 2-gap DT that high?"

Name a position on this team and I can give you a reason NOT to take one.

So just take the best talent. And there's absolutely a scenario where that guy is Burden.
Sure.

But it just rarely occurs they take another WR that high after doing it last year. I'm not against it, per say, but it is what it is.
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You can find a reason not to take any position if you mine deep enought.

"They just spent $30 million on a LT and drafted a long-term possibility in the 2nd last year"

"They've plowed so much money into DT and they need a nose to complement Jones more than a 1-gap guy; do you really want to take a 2-gap DT that high?"

Name a position on this team and I can give you a reason NOT to take one.

So just take the best talent. And there's absolutely a scenario where that guy is Burden.
People are also forgetting that our HOF TE who was our WR 1 after we traded Tyreek is on his farewell tour here.

We need offensive weapons even after scoring Rice and Worthy who both look like hits.
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People are also forgetting that our HOF TE who was our WR 1 after we traded Tyreek is on his farewell tour here.

We need offensive weapons even after scoring Rice and Worthy who both look like hits.
And Hollywood is on a 1 year deal and has been a cocktease most of his career.

Moreover, Burden can play WITH all three of those guys. If he's a WR4 in a move/gadget role while getting his feet under him to eventually move to a slot and/or challenge for the Z (and I think he can do that, personally), you're getting production from him as a rookie.

The other issues is that we're in a tough spot at WR for the remainder of the draft, IMO. I love Royals -- he won't be there at the back of 2, IMO; same with Jaylin Noel. I really like Kyle Williams and kinda don't think he'll be there at the back of 3.

Dike is awfully raw, as is Tory Horton. Really like the talent for both of them and would look at either in the 4th, but we aren't likely to get much from them this season.

The draft kinda falls funny for us at WR; moreso than at DL and OL, IMO. The guys I like feel like reaches where I feel we'd have to take them.

Meanwhile I don't think Burden would be a reach at all at 31. I don't think he'd be a guy we'd have to redshirt. I don't think taking him would prevent us from finding good talent in the trenches in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

From a holistic perspective, taking Burden at 31 makes the rest of the draft go a little smoother from what I've seen. Granted, it's all make-believe bullshit but that's just the feel I've had as draft season has gone along.

Taking an OT feels like it stifles us a bit in the 1st. DL still leaves us open, but the depth of talent and tiers fit our draft spots better in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, IMO.

Burden or even Egbuka make a TON of sense to me at 31.
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You can find a reason not to take any position if you mine deep enought.

"They just spent $30 million on a LT and drafted a long-term possibility in the 2nd last year"

"They've plowed so much money into DT and they need a nose to complement Jones more than a 1-gap guy; do you really want to take a 2-gap DT that high?"

Name a position on this team and I can give you a reason NOT to take one.

So just take the best talent. And there's absolutely a scenario where that guy is Burden.
I really think Burden might be the best value for us. It’s just not enough and this WR class drops pretty definitely for us after the first rd.

We had nothing last year outside of Worthy. It was terrible.

Again I love Kelce but his legs are done. Mentioned this play before but it’s still hilarious watching this bc he’s so damn slow now. He was definitely running a 5 second 40 here at best



Compare it to Kelce just 3 years ago and it’s completely different now



The first rd feels like the perfect time to improve the offense this year. Maybe that’s tackle. If not a guy like Burden would help us greatly. The value at DL and corner in late rd 1 to rd 2 is not a big disparity to me.

Either way we need more weapons at RB and receiver and I think they will make that a priority.
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Well just putting a stopwatch on him from the 25 to the 15 (when he seems mostly unimpeded and has had a couple steps to get back to speed) I had him at a 1.33 split over those 10 yards.

That's a 5.3. With a bit of a running start.

Yiiiiiiiiiiikes.
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If Burden is there at 31 I'd be very surprised. I would also be surprised if we traded up to go get him. We simply have more pressing needs, particularly nose LT edge rusher, corner, and RB. I guess I am less worried about whether Burden is lazy in practice but is he coachable? I haven't heard anything about this so I'd assume that's not an issue.
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If Burden is there at 31 I'd be very surprised. I would also be surprised if we traded up to go get him. We simply have more pressing needs, particularly nose LT edge rusher, corner, and RB. I guess I am less worried about whether Burden is lazy in practice but is he coachable? I haven't heard anything about this so I'd assume that's not an issue.
Staff loves him.

Now how much of that is forward facing? Who knows; public glazing to keep the talent in CoMo sort of thing.

But like I said, he was face-timing with Drink at the combine. Dude was gone -- out of the program at that point. And still chatting it up with the head coach back in Columbia.

I don't think there are coaching concerns with him at all.

But/for some of the most bizarre and inexplicable use patterns I've ever seen at Mizzou, he'd be a top 15 pick and in the running for WR1, IMO. He's a blue-chip talent. But we used him as a crutch for a mediocre QB so his game didn't develop a lick in his platform season (really, it regressed in some ways) and that's hurt him a bit in draft head circles.

I hope it pushes him down to us. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. He's Rice but better. Physical, fast, great hands, incredible body control. He's a first round talent all day.
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I think they take a WR or DL. Maybe a DB. I don't see them taking a LT, much to the chagrin of many here.
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