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Old 03-09-2024, 09:42 PM  
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Old 03-10-2024, 11:47 AM   #256
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Eh - that's not what I've seen.

I saw a guy who played like his hair was on fire in the last game of the season to get that bonus. I saw a guy who had historically bad run defense through the first 3 quarters last season because there were no incentives to be earned via run defense.

I wouldn't say it's likely - but coin flip odds don't see wholly unreasonable. Maybe he keep driving for the 3-peat but if things go bad at some point, I'm not sure I have a ton of faith in him keeping his head down and leading that DL room.
You just don't like the signing.
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Old 03-10-2024, 11:49 AM   #257
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If Cullen is around for the duration of Jones’ contract, it’s a guarantee the fire wont go out. CJ has a deep well of intrinsic motivation, but if it ever wavers, Cullen primes the pumps in a hurry.
He just signed a new deal a month or so ago. I couldn’t find how many years it was for, but maybe it was posted on here.
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Old 03-10-2024, 11:50 AM   #258
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I dunno he's definitely been known to take a LOT of plays off.
Overall, I'm happy to have him back, but let's be real here.
He’s getting doubled every play , sometimes his job is just to occupy as many guys as he can not sure I consider that taking a play off. He has to conserve energy on long drives too fighting doubles all day
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Eh - that's not what I've seen.

I saw a guy who played like his hair was on fire in the last game of the season to get that bonus. I saw a guy who had historically bad run defense through the first 3 quarters last season because there were no incentives to be earned via run defense.

I wouldn't say it's likely - but coin flip odds don't see wholly unreasonable. Maybe he keep driving for the 3-peat but if things go bad at some point, I'm not sure I have a ton of faith in him keeping his head down and leading that DL room.
Which is why I think we’ll approve of the structure. It’s a 3 year deal per the gauranteed $$. If for some reason worst case happens we can get out after year 2 and suck it up one year before it’s a clean cut.
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You just don't like the signing.
You've got it backwards.

It's because of that tendency that I'm...wary...of the signing. I'm not jumping up and down and calling it a disaster. I'm simply not popping Champaign corks here either.

His incentives (and probably offseason payday) were going to be tied to his pass-rush ability. So I think he took essentially took run downs off last season to save himself for the pass rush snaps. He had the worst run-defense of his career last season.

Do I care a great deal? Nah, not really - that's not his job. I'd like him to get back to where he was in 2021 and 2022 on run def, but it's secondary . Run defense is not my concern. If he's the same player for the next 3 years that he was in 2023, the deal is fine. It'll work out for us.

My concern is that he was willing to take those plays off to boost his 'money' stats. And so it makes me wonder if it was the money that was driving him. I'm not saying it is - I'm just not willing to say it isn't.
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Which is why I think we’ll approve of the structure. It’s a 3 year deal per the gauranteed $$. If for some reason worst case happens we can get out after year 2 and suck it up one year before it’s a clean cut.
It's never as simple as I think it'll be, but I'm kinda thinking:

$60 million signing bonus and base salaries of 10/12/13 over the first 3 years.

So cap hits of $22 million, 24 million and 25 million in the first three seasons. Then you June 1 cut him and spread the remaining $24 million in dead money over '27 and '28.

Maybe $25/30 million in salaries in '27/'28 but I don't expect he'll play on those numbers.
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You've got it backwards.

It's because of that tendency that I'm...wary...of the signing. I'm not jumping up and down and calling it a disaster. I'm simply not popping Champaign corks here either.

His incentives (and probably offseason payday) were going to be tied to his pass-rush ability. So I think he took essentially took run downs off last season to save himself for the pass rush snaps. He had the worst run-defense of his career last season.

Do I care a great deal? Nah, not really - that's not his job. I'd like him to get back to where he was in 2021 and 2022 on run def, but it's secondary . Run defense is not my concern. If he's the same player for the next 3 years that he was in 2023, the deal is fine. It'll work out for us.

My concern is that he was willing to take those plays off to boost his 'money' stats. And so it makes me wonder if it was the money that was driving him. I'm not saying it is - I'm just not willing to say it isn't.
Exactly how I’ve felt.

If you could in a vaccum have this deal, or Christian Wilkins for 23 million/yr I think I’m taking Wilkins. Lose a little in the pass rush, but gain a lot in the run D. Jones is still the better player obviously. But I don’t know about 10 a year better.
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I love how the third year vests next offseason. If a major injury happens this year, Veach covered us.
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Exactly how I’ve felt.

If you could in a vaccum have this deal, or Christian Wilkins for 23 million/yr I think I’m taking Wilkins. Lose a little in the pass rush, but gain a lot in the run D. Jones is still the better player obviously. But I don’t know about 10 a year better.
Yeah - there was just no way to know. And never truly will be now.

Because if Jones hits the market, Wilkins is the 2nd best DT out there. That's going to impact his earning potential in a cap rich league. Teams will overpay for best of breed a little more. Now that Wilkins is the top available DT, he'll get the benefit of that instead of Jones.

So it wouldn't surprise me to see him leverage nearer $25 million/yr. Had Jones hit the market, who knows? Is that closer to $21/$22 million? You're likely to have a more rational decision made w/r/t Wilkins rather than just "pay what I have to pay to get the best available guy on the market" that he'll likely see now.

And if the Dolphins really let him walk because they didn't want to pay him $21 million, I think that'll prove to be penny wise and pound foolish for them.
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I love how the third year vests next offseason. If a major injury happens this year, Veach covered us.
Not if there's a $50-60 million signing bonus.

You're talking about accelerating $40+ million onto the cap next season. That injury would have to literally be of the "Never going to play again" variety. An Alex Smith style compound fracture.

And in that event, our cap is STILL royally ****ed.
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I am thrilled that we locked up Chris. I had stayed quiet in this whole deal as I thought we just couldn't sign him for what he would get offered next week. I had given up that we would lose a player that are as rare as diamonds at his position. He would have been tough to replace. I love Sneed but we can replace him we have a lot of young promise just waiting in the wings. I learned my lesson with Chevarious that Veatch can find good CB's. So happy to have Chris here for the long haul. I can't wait for his speech in Canton Ohio when he hangs it up!
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Not if there's a $50-60 million signing bonus.

You're talking about accelerating $40+ million onto the cap next season. That injury would have to literally be of the "Never going to play again" variety. An Alex Smith style compound fracture.

And in that event, our cap is STILL royally ****ed.

What if there’s a more reasonable, Chiefs-sized bonus, like $25 or 30M?

That’s where I think we see this land. That 95m over the first three years is going to include 10-12 million in cap charges against the last two years…
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