Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[Rain Man]

My review of how I've diverged from the real Chiefs.

Positions where I'm better than the real Chiefs:


QB - I've invested heavily in young QBs, and it looks like Sanchez is paying off as my starter. Clausen will hopefully develop behind him.

HB - Charles and Spiller? I've got a strong RB corp, and Spiller will split out occasionally to help my weak WR corps.

TE - Tony G. What can I say?

DT - I've added Dorsey back to this group and switched to a 4-3, which is a better use of our talent. Otherwise the same.

Areas where I'm about the same as the real Chiefs:


WR - I don't have McCluster, but Spiller will do the same thing. Otherwise a wash.

T - I think Barry Richardson has potential, but so does Alex Boone. The real Chiefs might be a little ahead of me, but I have two developmental prospects. It looks like the Raiders may be lining Campbell up at guard, though.

C - I don't have Niswanger, but I kept Wade Smith. I think I'm a little better, but it's not a big difference.

P - Colquitt. Why mess with perfection?

CB - Probably a wash overall. Two good starters and it goes downhill from there.

OLB - Hard to judge this since I'm moving Hali back to DE in a 4-3 alignment. Maualaga and Studebaker will start for me, with Dekoda Watson backing them up. I think I'm okay.

DE - I'm moving Dorsey back to DT, but I like my DEs. I've got Hali and Gilberry on the right side to rush the passer, and Pryor and Carrington on the left side to stuff the run. I think eventually my group will prevail. Pryor can drop inside to DT occasionally, too.

Areas where I'm weaker than the real Chiefs:


G - I didn't draft Asamoah and drafted Duke Robinson, who is now on injured reserve for the year. I made the tough decision to hold him for a year to see if he comes through.

K - It's really hurt me that I didn't draft Succop last year, so I'm still running with a scrub kicker.

S - I drafted Kendrick Lewis, and got Reshard Jones to be my strong safety. (The Dolphins have moved him to free safety, but I have to leave him at SS.) Of course, I drafted Spiller over Berry, so I don't have Berry.

ILB - I've got DJ and Demorrio, but no depth right now.



Since I'm moving people, I'll note my front seven against the real Chiefs' front seven.

Them: Hali, Vrabel, Belcher, Johnson, Jackson, Dorsey, Edwards.
Me: Maualaga, Studebaker, Johnson, Hali, Pryor, Dorsey, Edwards.

I think I like my group better.

[wazu]

Here's mine, as always reserving the right to tweak until the deadline.

The 2010 Fresno Refugees 43-Man Roster

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brodie Croyle

RB
Jamaal Charles
Thomas Jones
Jackie Battle

FB
Tim Castille

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers
Jeremy Horne
Dezmon Briscoe (Buccaneers)

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Selvish Capers (Free Agent)

G
Brian Waters
Ryan Lilja
Jon Asamoah

C
Rudy Niswanger
Matt Tenant (Saints)

TE
Leonard Pope
Chase Coffman (Bengals)
Jake O'Connell

NT
Ron Edwards
Terrance Cody (Ravens)
Cam Thomas (Chargers)
Dion Gales

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Wallace Gilberry
Bobby Greenwood

OLB
Tamba Hali
Andy Studebaker
Ricky Sapp (Eagles)
Sergio Kindle (Ravens)
Clint Sintim (Giants)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays

CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Perrish Cox (Broncos)

S
Eric Berry
Jarred Page (Patriots)

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

[Rain Man]

Your OLBs are all the guys I was coveting in the draft, but I couldn't get them high enough on my list of priorities to take them.

[patteeu]

My 2010 43 man roster. Vets in black. Free Agents in blue. Drafted rookies in red.

QB
Matt Cassel
Brodie Croyle

RB
Jamaal Charles
Thomas Jones
Jackie Battle

FB
Tim Castille

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers
David Reed (Ravens)
Dexter McCluster
Jeremy Horne

TE
Leonard Pope
Brad Cottam IR

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan

G
Brian Waters
Ryan Lilja
Kraig Urbik (Bills)
Jon Asamoah

C
Rudy Niswanger
Matt Tennant (Saints)

K
Ryan Succup

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Jarrad Page (Patriots)
Kendrick Lewis

SS
Eric Berry

CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Alterraun Verner (Titans)

OLB
Tamba Hali
Mike Vrabel
Andy Studebaker

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays
Sean Lee (Cowboys)

DE
Tyson Jackson
Glenn Dorsey
Wallace Gilberry
Shaun Smith

DT
Ron Edwards
Tank Tyler (Panthers)
Anthony Toribio

[Rain Man]

I think we're still working our way up to 53, and this year we're at 43. I propose this just so we have to cut some "real" Chiefs and make some decisions there. Or do you think we're okay to go to 53?

[Rain Man]

Did we have an IR or developmental roster last year? I don't recall. I'd lean against it, probably, since we'd all have the same players right now.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think we're still working our way up to 53, and this year we're at 43. I propose this just so we have to cut some "real" Chiefs and make some decisions there. Or do you think we're okay to go to 53?

No, 43 is good. I just had a memory lapse.

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Did we have an IR or developmental roster last year? I don't recall. I'd lean against it, probably, since we'd all have the same players right now.

Yeah, we don't need it.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Your OLBs are all the guys I was coveting in the draft, but I couldn't get them high enough on my list of priorities to take them.

Yeah, so far it looks like you had your priorities set better than I did in that department. Of course, I'll take the normal GM cop-out and claim you can't judge a draft until 5 years after I'm gone.

[wazu]

Okay, it's getting to be "Step 4" time again.

[Rain Man]

Yep, I'll be working on mine. I'm hoping you're right in that the wisdom of my picks will emerge in another year or two. I'm kind of taking a beating right now.

[chiefscafan]

ok here is my updated roster

qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.


2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida




QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
15 skelton, john qb

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/1986 2 Texas
20 thomas jones


FB
42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech


WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
17 curtis , kevin
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
19 vernan tucker

TE
49 leonard pope
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis
73 Asomah, john
C
62 wegman casey
61 matt tenet

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee


FS
47 john mcgraw
37 kam chancellor

SS
29 berry, eric



CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State
21 arenas, javier


OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton
55 sheffield

ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 spikes, brandon
59 Belcher, Jovan LB ACT 6'2" 228 7/24/1987 0 Maine
95 greenwood, correy

DE

72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State
94 gillberry, wallace
90 Smith, Shaun
69 Selvie, George

DT

93 Thomas, CAm
67 Gales, Dion


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
54 Micha Johnson - ILB (chiefs)



Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas
81 Darling, Devard WR RES 6'1" 213 4/16/1982 6 Washington State
43 Gaffrd, Thomas TE ACT 6'2" 252 1/29/1983 2 Houston
15 Gutierrez, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 3 Idaho State
69 Lokey, Derek DT RES 6'1" 287 11/25/1985 1 Texas
90 McBride, Turk DE ACT 6'2" 278 5/30/1985 3 Tennessee
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis
21 Smith, Kolby RB PUP 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 3 Louisville
26 Battle, Jackie RB ACT 6'2" 238 10/1/1983 2 Houston
ETC

[chiefscafan]

We had an IR last year

donkey will shine on the moon of the misted whale

[patteeu]

I have a question about Step 4. The rules say that the number of starts you assign to each player can't exceed that player's actual number of starts. Does that mean that I have to assign starts to "scrub" at ILB even if I have players like Sean Lee or Demorrio Williams who played in several games but who didn't start in a game all season? If so, here is my lineup. I had lots of tough situations on my offensive line this season so I moved Brian Waters to both OT and C and still had to start 2 scrubs on the offensive line almost every week. Ugg.

QB
Matt Cassel - 15
Brodie Croyle - 1

RB
Jamaal Charles - 6
Thomas Jones - 10
Jackie Battle

FB
Tim Castille - 4

WR
Dwayne Bowe - 16
Chris Chambers - 7
Dexter McCluster - 7
Scrub - 16
David Reed (Ravens)
Jeremy Horne

TE
Leonard Pope - 6
Scrub - 8
Brad Cottam

T
Branden Albert - 15
Ryan O'Callaghan - 1
Brian Waters - 2
Scrub - 14

G
Ryan Lilja - 15
Kraig Urbik (Bills) - 2
Jon Asamoah - 1
Scrub - 14

C
Brian Waters - 14
Rudy Niswanger
Matt Tennant (Saints)

K
Ryan Succop - 16

P
Dustin Colquitt - 16

FS
Jarrad Page (Patriots)
Kendrick Lewis - 10
Brandon Carr - 6

SS
Eric Berry - 16

CB
Brandon Flowers - 15
Brandon Carr - 10
Alterraun Verner (Titans) - 7

OLB
Tamba Hali - 16
Mike Vrabel - 16
Andy Studebaker

ILB
Derrick Johnson - 16
Scrub - 16
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays
Sean Lee (Cowboys)

DE
Tyson Jackson - 3
Glenn Dorsey - 16
Wallace Gilberry - 2
Shaun Smith - 10
Scrub - 1

DT
Ron Edwards - 15
Scrub - 1
Tank Tyler (Panthers)
Anthony Toribio

[Rain Man]

Good question. Let's say that you can start a backup, but you'll need to record them as follows:

Actual NFL starts (your starts)

So if you're starting a guy for three games who didn't have any NFL starts, you would denote him as 0 (3). That'll let us know that you're pressing a backup into a starting role, but it's better than starting a scrub.