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Old 11-22-2024, 09:18 AM  
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Old 01-07-2025, 05:18 PM   #2671
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Old 01-07-2025, 05:18 PM   #2672
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It's just wild to me to think that after two weeks of the best offense we've seen all year with Thuney at LT suddenly him having short arms and the passing game undergoing this mythical truncating (completely unsupported by video evidence) is going to lead to teams 85 Bearing us in the postseason

All because we MUST start DJ Humphries to um, I dunno, be Willie Roaf and THEN we can run this offense as god intended. 11-step drops and 7 seconds of pass protection.

Like, WHAT?
You've completely mischaracterized the argument.

There is ample video evidence that they adjusted play calling to suit Thuney and protect him. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

And no, we don't need Willie Roaf. Literally nobody has said that. We just want Joe Thuney to play the position he's earned a gold jacket playing. It's pretty ****ing simple.
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Old 01-07-2025, 05:19 PM   #2673
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Yes Clay -- you're right and now it's Andy Reid that simply doesn't understand how obvious it is...
Andy Reid obviously has no idea what he's doing. Thuney is the best LT ever.

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Old 01-07-2025, 05:21 PM   #2674
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I feel like conditioning for a 300 lb guy is just a different beast than it would be for the rest of us.

I mean wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd have been doing cardio BEFORE he signed? And over the last several weeks?

I almost wonder if it has nothing to do with stamina. If he ain't there now, when's he gonna get there?

Football shape is football shape and it just seems that the only way you can do it is by playing. That's not gonna happen riding a cardio bike.
Well sure, practice is definitely going to be the most important part of the process for getting into game shape. I am just assuming that work outs will be ongoing as well.
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It's just wild to me to think that after two weeks of the best offense we've seen all year with Thuney at LT suddenly him having short arms and the passing game undergoing this mythical truncating (completely unsupported by video evidence) is going to lead to teams 85 Bearing us in the postseason

All because we MUST start DJ Humphries to um, I dunno, be Willie Roaf and THEN we can run this offense as god intended. 11-step drops and 7 seconds of pass protection.

Like, WHAT?
Same page man.

The best 3 offensive games we had this season IMO were with Thuney at LT.

I said this before. It's like the Gannon/Grbac thing.

You don't stop using what is working. For the "potential" that this other thing is better. Not right now.

But we shall see. I'm not confident that DJ will be ready in two weeks and that at best he serves as a backup
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You've completely mischaracterized the argument.

There is ample video evidence that they adjusted play calling to suit Thuney and protect him. You'd have to be blind not to see it.
No there isn't

Like, did you think Wanya was featured in an offense full of Vermeil-esque seven step drops for the previous 3 months?



The Chiefs depth of target has been low ALL SEASON.
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Old 01-07-2025, 05:36 PM   #2677
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No there isn't

Like, did you think Wanya was featured in an offense full of Vermeil-esque seven step drops for the previous 3 months?



The Chiefs depth of target has been low ALL SEASON.
The Chiefs didn't change their offense.

Mahomes got the ball out faster because he felt comfortable in the pocket. Why is this even being debated?
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No there isn't

Like, did you think Wanya was featured in an offense full of Vermeil-esque seven step drops for the previous 3 months?



The Chiefs depth of target has been low ALL SEASON.
My impression just watching the games has been htismaqe is correct. It isn't really about depth of target, it's how fast the ball gets out. Much of the season it was like "holy crap this play is taking forever to develop". Seen a lot less of that recently.
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He’s a professional athlete who will have had 3 weeks of practice and conditioning plus actual game reps this past week… I would expect him to be ready to go for the divisional.
A training camp and preseason is over for him now.. Time to get ready for the real season..
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The Chiefs didn't change their offense.

Mahomes got the ball out faster because he felt comfortable in the pocket. Why is this even being debated?
The quick hitters don’t require Mahomes to be comfortable in the pocket. Suddenly we saw more of those when Hollywood made his appearance. We also saw Thuney getting help that the other two guys hadn’t been receiving on a regular basis.

The offensive scheme did go through an adjustment and it’s silly to argue otherwise.
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My impression just watching the games has been htismaqe is correct. It isn't really about depth of target, it's how fast the ball gets out. Much of the season it was like "holy crap this play is taking forever to develop". Seen a lot less of that recently.
Because Pat felt comfortable to get through his reads. He was seeing ghosts because he was getting hit so much.

Once he stopped getting hit so much he was able to quickly go through his reads and that's when the offense took off again
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Same page man.

The best 3 offensive games we had this season IMO were with Thuney at LT.

I said this before. It's like the Gannon/Grbac thing.

You don't stop using what is working. For the "potential" that this other thing is better. Not right now.

But we shall see. I'm not confident that DJ will be ready in two weeks and that at best he serves as a backup
Our worst offensive game was also against Cleveland or are we just hand-waving away that game? We had our best two offensive games against teams that are collapsing worse than Joe Biden stepping off Air Force One.

Look, when your all-world LG is playing LT just good enough to prevent diaster, that's the definition of broken.

And Andy obviously agrees or he wouldn't even be entertaining putting DJ in. If Thuney at left tackle is that good, Andy would put him out there instead of DJ.
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You've completely mischaracterized the argument.

There is ample video evidence that they adjusted play calling to suit Thuney and protect him. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

And no, we don't need Willie Roaf. Literally nobody has said that. We just want Joe Thuney to play the position he's earned a gold jacket playing. It's pretty ****ing simple.
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Because Pat felt comfortable to get through his reads. He was seeing ghosts because he was getting hit so much.

Once he stopped getting hit so much he was able to quickly go through his reads and that's when the offense took off again
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It has nothing to do with protection.

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You can say the play calling didn't change but you and Meatpeeker are the only ones that believe that. None of the talking heads out there from Keysor to Verdarame agree with you.
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You've completely mischaracterized the argument.

There is ample video evidence that they adjusted play calling to suit Thuney and protect him. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

And no, we don't need Willie Roaf. Literally nobody has said that. We just want Joe Thuney to play the position he's earned a gold jacket playing. It's pretty ****ing simple.
It truly is ENTIRELY that.

Some folks want to see this as some indictment of Thuney and it just isn't.

Nobody - NOBODY - is shitting on Thuney here. It's amazing he's been as credible at LT as he's been.

What we want is the dude who's probably the best LG of the last 20 years - or at least the best for this team and how they want to play - to play LG again.

And nobody is saying it's VITAL to anything that he does so. Only that it would be one hell of a luxury to have and that it's absolutely worth spinning the wheel and taking your chances to see if you have it.

Again, the hyperbole AIN'T from this side of the argument. At all.
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