Pro Bowl LT DJ Humphries [signed by Chiefs]

[SHOWTIME]

Does Veach give him a call?

I predict @Chiefs. Makes too much sense https://t.co/hu5xdI5KF2

— Justin Pugh (@JustinPugh) November 22, 2024

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course they have, that's why we took all the deep developing plays out of the offense once Thuney moved.

This offense needs an intermediate and deep game to keep defenses honest. They're not getting that with Thuney.

Where was that intermediate and deep game all year when Thuney was at guard? They weren't getting it with other LTs.

It is a fact that the offense looked the best it had all year when he was moved outside. You want to credit it to a massive change in play calling? Fine, it's never black and white and is always a combination of many factors, but I'll take the offense the last few weeks over the mid-season offense.

I wish DJ was in shape and could play at an average level for an entire game. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown the ability to do it.

[Dunerdr]

This is some of the absolute best football talk on the internet right now. Threads like this convince me of the left and right brain dominance. Some of us just see the game different and process cause and effect differently. Not to mention risk evaluation. I love all of it. Just kind of scared that I'm on the side with Uchieffy, but Staylor, Crow, Htis and several guys who are regularly right are on this island so cheers.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay.

I mean I've discussed stats, traits, technique and scheme in this thread. I've conceded that the risk is real and I may not even be willing to take it.

Your response is "He got manhandled"

When it's pointed out that hey - there are clips in this very thread showing that he had a great deal many very good reps and on the bad reps there have been suggestions made as to why that may have been communications problems.

Your response is "I know what I saw"

And when your intransigence is pointed it its...."well that's just hyperbole..."

I mean keep on keepin' on, brotha. You're covering yourself in glory here.

The rest of us will just go on talking about actual football around you. Because you clearly know all you need to know and as such, I probably wouldn't put any more effort into the conversation were I you...

People trust their eyes on a live watch WAY too much, and then just ****ing dig in and won't listen to anything that contradicts their initial impression. People who know ball accept new information and are willing to change their minds.

I'm on an active group text with some KC friends, that includes an all-state high school running back (whose son is an excellent HS QB and future starter at a strong 6A school) , and a former All Big 12 middle linebacker who had a cup of coffee in the NFL. They both reacted to Humphries giving up that quick win sack on Sunday like going back to Thuney was a given.

And then we looked at the clip again after the game was over, and they both said (a) That's not all on Humphries (b) he didn't have a good rep, but clearly expected an outside shoulder chip from Perine (c) either Perine was wrong, or Humphries was wrong (d) if Wentz is paying attention like Mahomes would be, he sees that coming, steps up just a touch, and dumps it to Perine (e) in summary, it wasn't nearly as disastrous as it looked like.

Same thing on the sack where the DE was lined up on the slot corners hip, and Suamataia didn't keep an eye on the across-face move by the rusher, and the DE got home.

[KCUnited]

Just broke down the All 69 tape of Thuney's snaps at LT and he reminds me a bit of the drummer for Def Leppard meets Jim Abbott

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Need Minter and Vance to get HC jobs bc they have both been excellent unfortunately.

AFC West is gonna be a battle. It might be looking like this years NFC North.

Minter getting a HC job in the NFC or AFC East would be ideal. Haven't seen any buzz for that, really, but Jets, Jaguars, or Saints would be sweet.

I could see him taking the Jags. There's some stuff to work with there.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If you don't keep Hollywood, you need to find someone to replace him.

As you noted, those plays just don't work without Hollywood. That's why I keep saying that I think HE'S been more critical to the offense than Thuney.

Hollywood's presence allows us to utilize those concepts that can still get you a little downfield on shorter drops. Without him (or a rejuvenated Kelce) those are just not in the playbook.

Because lets all remember that Thuney played LT vs. Cleveland and our offense looked as bad as it looked all season. It wasn't until Brown showed up vs. Houston that suddenly those plays started working.

What's why I keep saying I'm not convinced Thuney's move to LT is what made the difference. I think it may have been Brown's return. He's MASSIVE to this intermediate and downfield game.

I think you're right about Brown. The offense looks crisp when it has guys out there who can win quickly underneath, and Brown adds that back. I think that, combined with Thuney stabilizing LT, combined with adjusting the playcalls, is the real key for things looking like they're clicking into place against Houston and Pittsburgh.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Just broke down the All 69 tape of Thuney's snaps at LT and he reminds me a bit of the drummer for Def Leppard meets Jim Abbott

Hey, what has seven arms and sucks?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

People trust their eyes on a live watch WAY too much

The only time I really trust what I see live is when it's in person.

And even that has problems all its own. But at least the well isn't poisoned by what you're told or shown and you see the full picture.

The problem is that we give the broadcast WAY too much weight. The announcers set a narrative, the replays, etc... are chosen to reinforce that narrative. And then we get beat over the head with it until we think "Well Jim Nantz says it so it must be true..."

And you often don't even SEE what led to the real problem on the field. It may not have even been caught by the camera.

It's why I get so frustrated by some of responses when I say "Hey, maybe PM ain't playing great..."

I mean look at the Vikings/Lions game. The OL got trucked a lot (despite being really solid all year). The WRs were struggling to find space and had several key drops.

Had PM had a game like that, we'd have said "Man, he had a 45% pressure rate and his WRs dropped several key plays that would've led to points while his coaches went Full Madden and left points all over the field. What more could he have done out there?"

We'd hand-waive the misses and focus on the shitty circumstances.

When Darnold has a game like that everyone says "Man, Darnold was a real piece of shit..." They lock in on the misses and disregard the circumstances.

It's the old "When you don't like the facts, argue the law. When you don't like the law, argue the facts. When you don't like either, pound on the table..."

Sometimes its ALL of those things. But when the broadcast or our preconceived notions decide otherwise, we just won't listen to anything other than what we heard on TV or what we'd kinda already decided was true.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Humphries ain't ready to go, so get ready to cope with Simple Joe at LT.

Humphries ain't ready to go, 2 weeks before the game.



You're such a coward.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Where was that intermediate and deep game all year when Thuney was at guard? They weren't getting it with other LTs.

It is a fact that the offense looked the best it had all year when he was moved outside. You want to credit it to a massive change in play calling? Fine, it's never black and white and is always a combination of many factors, but I'll take the offense the last few weeks over the mid-season offense.

I wish DJ was in shape and could play at an average level for an entire game. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown the ability to do it.

They were attempting it with the other guys. They basically stopped when Thuney moved over.

Playing DJ or not will not dictate whether we run the offense of the last few weeks. It's almost 100% play calling and scheme. They're covering for him. You could start DJ and still call those plays.

But there are plays you can call with a competent LT that you cannot call with Thuney at LT.

People are so scared of the floor that they refuse to look at the ceiling

Stop being scared.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

People trust their eyes on a live watch WAY too much, and then just ****ing dig in and won't listen to anything that contradicts their initial impression. People who know ball accept new information and are willing to change their minds.

I'm on an active group text with some KC friends, that includes an all-state high school running back (whose son is an excellent HS QB and future starter at a strong 6A school) , and a former All Big 12 middle linebacker who had a cup of coffee in the NFL. They both reacted to Humphries giving up that quick win sack on Sunday like going back to Thuney was a given.

And then we looked at the clip again after the game was over, and they both said (a) That's not all on Humphries (b) he didn't have a good rep, but clearly expected an outside shoulder chip from Perine (c) either Perine was wrong, or Humphries was wrong (d) if Wentz is paying attention like Mahomes would be, he sees that coming, steps up just a touch, and dumps it to Perine (e) in summary, it wasn't nearly as disastrous as it looked like.

Same thing on the sack where the DE was lined up on the slot corners hip, and Suamataia didn't keep an eye on the across-face move by the rusher, and the DE got home.

It's rarely possible to clean real meaning from a live watch, especially for fans. When the game is live, the emotions are high and thinking analytically takes a back seat.

Always gotta watch the game again to get the analysis. And what I saw is the same as what a lot of the blue check mark guys saw.

All this BS about DJ getting manhandled and being so bad he will ruin the playoffs is ridiculous talk from people that fear change.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Not the best thread for this but since the value of Hollywood was brought up, and we are seeing it play out in real games now, I think there's two truths Veach has to contend with entering 2025

1) You need to try to bring Hollywood back. We'll see what Rice's impending suspension looks like, but it's very obvious that a starting WR trio of Rice, Worthy, and Brown could be special. If Kelce is back, that's just icing on the cake to fill that other underneath role.

2) We do NOT want to enter the season depending solely on two rather small WRs to stay healthy for 20 games, one with an injury history already (HB). We've seen the impact that missing just one of those guys can have on production. So you need improved depth. What's the answer?

I like bringing D-Hop back. He has much tangible and intangible value as WR4 and WR3 until Rice returns. But how do you answer the depth behind the fast guys? Hardman hasn't been dependable enough to be the answer.

[tyreekthefreak]

Originally Posted by Raiderhater

The flip side of that is that fretting that he will play poorly doesn’t mean that will… no matter how much hyperbole you put into it!!!

Have you seen him play well yet?

[Palangi]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Not the best thread for this but since the value of Hollywood was brought up, and we are seeing it play out in real games now, I think there's two truths Veach has to contend with entering 2025

1) You need to try to bring Hollywood back. We'll see what Rice's impending suspension looks like, but it's very obvious that a starting WR trio of Rice, Worthy, and Brown could be special. If Kelce is back, that's just icing on the cake to fill that other underneath role.

2) We do NOT want to enter the season depending solely on two rather small WRs to stay healthy for 20 games, one with an injury history already (HB). We've seen the impact that missing just one of those guys can have on production. So you need improved depth. What's the answer?

I like bringing D-Hop back. He has much tangible and intangible value as WR4 and WR3 until Rice returns. But how do you answer the depth behind the fast guys? Hardman hasn't been dependable enough to be the answer.

I like Rimigio a an option over Hardman next year.
I also hold out hope of them getting Tyquan Thorn ready as a 5th or 6th WR

Rice
Brown
Worthy
Hopkins
Remigio
Thornton
??? Watson???

[Dunerdr]

Waiting for someone to make a DJ humphries jersey bet

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is the play I find the most interesting of the lot.

Because that's slower developing. Hopkins isn't on a drag, but he's not on a quick hitter either. That route takes that full 3 seconds or so to develop.

But what Mahomes did that he has historically been reluctant to do is step up rather than drift back. And man, you'd love to see him do that more, but it's just never been a go-to move for him. It seems like it's about 4th on his list of preferred options.

And what almost blew it up anyway, despite Mahomes showing really nice feel for the pocket, is that Caliendo got absolutely abused.

That's the sort of play that you could do a lot if A) Mahomes would step up rather than drift back and B) Thuney were in at LG instead of Caliendo.

Presuming that Humphries can give you the rep that Thuney did there. And that play is a prefect representation of how Thuney wins -- he gets aggressive and controls the rep. Attacks the DE and gets walked backwards rather than get backwards and try to absorb the DE.

Humphries CAN give you exactly that sort of pocket doing it his way. Frankly, his way is the better way to get it done. Does he have the stamina to do it in the 3rd quarter? Or on the 8th play of a drive? I just don't know.

But I know that I'd be reluctant to try that play again given how badly Caliendo got beat on that play.

I'm trying to figure out how Calliendo got beat THAT badly THAT quickly.