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Old 09-20-2009, 08:33 PM  
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Tamba Hali
Has anyone seen him? His friends and family are worried.

What happened to our impact LB? The sack machine? The difference maker?
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:45 PM   #241
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Dude, did I take a shot during this conversation? All I asked was if you were aware of this practice.

As for the rest, it's the "Dirty Little Secret" of the NFL.
Yeah, I would consider this exchange a shot:

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I'd imagine that at this point, that blade is becoming dull
It's cool though. It's not like I don't expect it. I do appreciate you explaining parts of this to me though.
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:45 PM   #242
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No I don't think the Chiefs would keep all of them much like the Steelers and Colts have walked away from a ton of players they'd have to choose.

It would also depend how close they are FA's to each other, if the Chiefs have all 3 of them come free in the same year and they all expect huge signing bonuses someone won't be back.
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:45 PM   #243
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I get all that, but I do think it is a much more even playing field than most sports. I hadn't heard about Rooney considering selling the team though, that's the first I've heard about that.

Admittedly, I am not as versed in the salary cap/CBA as I could be. That's why I am asking questions and engaging in this discussion.

So, you and Hamas can take more shots at me if that makes you feel better, but this has been informative. I wasn't exactly sure how the suite money worked. I knew teams with suites had an advantage, but wasn't sure exactly what it was.
The NFL has always been far more like the NBA than MLB, but even so, there are gross inequities in the cash flow of the owners.

The Hunts pissed away huge portions of their fortune. They still make oodles off the Chiefs, and every NFL team makes money (unlike MLB or the NBA) due to the TV deal, but small market owners are always more judicious with their spending.
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:46 PM   #244
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Wait till next year when the Giants move out of Arrowhead East to their new digs. They will have even more cash. The NFL tv deal pays the players salaries, the siging bonuses are paid out by the team's cash flow which is the advertising, suites, parking, and club seating.
I just hope something can get done on the CBA. Uncapped football is going to be hell on us.
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:48 PM   #245
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I just hope something can get done on the CBA. Uncapped football is going to be hell on us.
The cap like it is now is hell unless you don't miss on draft picks because you have to consistently walk away from players.

For example, the Steelers draft well, the Giants draft well....the Steelers always walk away the Giants keep all their guys, the market size is why.
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:50 PM   #246
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The NFL has always been far more like the NBA than MLB, but even so, there are gross inequities in the cash flow of the owners.

The Hunts pissed away huge portions of their fortune. They still make oodles off the Chiefs, and every NFL team makes money (unlike MLB or the NBA) due to the TV deal, but small market owners are always more judicious with their spending.
I know that owners in the big cities make considerably more than owners in small cities. I guess my point was that I have never thought that small market teams had to walk away from guys like small market teams in MLB do. Seems that it is much more of an even playing field when it comes to the FA market, re-signing your own players, etc. You don't see things like CC Sabathia, Texiara, Johan Santana in the NFL where they come up with a smaller team who doesn't have any kind of chance and basically doesn't even attempt to re-sign them.
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The cap like it is now is hell unless you don't miss on draft picks because you have to consistently walk away from players.

For example, the Steelers draft well, the Giants draft well....the Steelers always walk away the Giants keep all their guys, the market size is why.
Who have the Steelers walked away from because of money?
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:52 PM   #248
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Another thing that hurts the Chiefs is Clark's personal wealth. Its no where close to alot of the owners at all. Its not like the Bengals or Cardinals, where the family's whole wealth is the football team but its not far behind.
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Who have the Steelers walked away from because of money?
There's a giant list, here I'll start..

Every LB that has ever played for them, Plaxico Burress.
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Who have the Steelers walked away from because of money?
Plaxico Burress, for starters.

Joey Porter and his 17+ sacks ring a bell?

The list is endless, all the way back to Barry Foster and Neil O'Donnell.

Alan Faneca.
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There's a giant list, here I'll start..

Every LB that has ever played for them, Plaxico Burress.
Wasn't Plax more of a problem when he was there so they let him walk? I don't really remember the circumstances, but it didn't seem like it was because of money.

And they ALWAYS have solid LBs to replace guys. That's why they let a guy like Foote walk. THey have Lawrence Timmons waiting in the wings.
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There's a giant list, here I'll start..

Every LB that has ever played for them, Plaxico Burress.
Faneca,Mike Vrabel, Nate Washington, Bryant McFadden...
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Joey Porter is better example than Foote.

And Roethlisberger was pissed they let Burress walk.
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Plax didn't exactly sign a monster contract with the NYG. 6 years and $25MM really chased the Steelers away? I thought they were basically just tired of him.
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The Steelers are kind of cheap to be honest with you...I can think of 3 guys they've basically paid ever.

And James Harrison bitched and moaned for months before they finally paid him.
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