Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Updated with draft picks held.

Did we ever get a final ruling on the winner for "Year 1"?

[wazu]

Here is a link to our poll after Year 1: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=223581

Looking forward to improving on the 2010 draft, to put it mildly. This is going to be like therapy.

[wazu]

Okay - as per rules established last year, I am posting this now while it's fresh in my mind, but nothing is "locked" until 10 days before training camp begins.

Fresno Refugees 2010 Draft:

*REJECT* the trade up for Pick #93 that was used to draft the TE

1. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
2a. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
2b. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
3. Jon Asamoah, OG, Illinois
4. Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
5a. Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State
5b. Matt Tennant, C, Boston College
5c. Cam Thomas, NT, North Carolina
6. Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas
7. Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia

[chiefscafan]

Los Angeles Cobras


ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th



1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida

[wazu]

Okay, so far we only have two drafts reported on. Assuming we have the same rule as last year, this locks down 10 days prior to training camp beginning.

[Rain Man]

Here are the 2009 end rosters for those of you entering Year 2. You'll need to lock down your roster quickly since I've been remiss about getting this geared up.

[Rain Man]

The Duluth Normans rejected all trades last year, so we have the Chiefs' basic picks.


Normans reject the trade of the 102nd (4th round) and 144th pick (5th round) for the 93rd pick (3rd round) that was made by the Chiefs to select Tony Moeaki. (The Normans already have a pretty good Tony at TE.)

Normans accept the trade that sent Tyler Thigpen to the Dolphins for the 142nd pick (5th round)

Normans reject the trade that sent Tank Tyler to the Panthers for the 144th pick (5th round). We still think Tank has potential.

Since we rejected the Alleman/Ndukwe trade last year, we retain the 173rd pick (6th round) that the Chiefs traded.

Since we rejected the draft pick trade leading to Jake O'Connell last year, the Normans retain the 212th pick (7th round)

So our draft lineup is:

1st - Pick 5
2nd - Pick 36
3rd - Pick 68
4th - Pick 102
5th - Pick 136
5th - Pick 142
6th - Pick 173
7th - Pick 212

We will draft the following:

1st - Pick 5 - RB C.J. Spiller. (Bills) Do we need him? No. But we think he's a playmaker, and we want playmakers on this team.

2nd - Pick 36 - QB Jimmy Clausen (Panthers) Yeah, even though we have Sanchez. We believe in depth and competition at key positions.

3rd - Pick 68 - DE Alex Carrington (Bills). We're shifting to a 4-3 and he can man the left side.

4th - Pick 102 - OT Bruce Campbell (Raiders) We need help at tackle and he's available.

5th - Pick 136 - FS Kendrick Lewis (Chiefs) Like the Chiefs pick, so we'll take him.

5th - Pick 142 - SS Reshad Jones (Dolphins) Looking for a little strong safety help, too.

6th - Pick 173 - WR Dezmon Brisco (Bengals) Any help we can get at WR would be appreciated.

7th - Pick 212 - LB Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers). Hope he can develop into a full-time LB



This is our current roster coming out of last season.


QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen (Dolphins)


HB
Jamaal Charles
Larry Johnson
Jackie Battle
Dantrell Savage


FB
Mike Cox
Tim Castille, FB

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers, WR
Mark Bradley
Derrick Williams (Lions)
Lance Long, WR
Bobby Wade, WR



TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Leonard Pope, TE



T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Alex Boone (49ers)



G
Brian Waters
Duke Robinson (Panthers)
Wade Smith
Mike Goff

C
Rudy Niswanger
Jermail Porter, OL

K
(Scrub)

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Jarrad Page
Reshard Langford, S


SS
Dajuan Morgan
Ricky Price, S



CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Maurice Leggett
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Travis Daniels, CB

OLB
Tamba Hali
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Andy Studebaker
Monty Beisel

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays
Pierre Walters, LB

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Myron Pryor (Patriots)
Turk McBride
Wallace Gilberry
Bobby Greenwood, DE

DT
Ron Edwards
Tank Tyler
Dion Gales, DT

[Rain Man]

Free-agent signings in 2010 so far include:

06/04/2010 Cody Slate (TE) Signed Contract
05/18/2010 Cory Greenwood (LB) Signed Contract
05/17/2010 Andre Jones (DB) Signed Contract
05/17/2010 Jeffrey Fitzgerald (DL) Signed Contract
05/17/2010 Leroy Banks (TE) Claimed off Waivers
05/04/2010 David Grimes (WR) Signed Contract
04/25/2010 Andrew Lewis (OL) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Nick Landry (OL) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Tervaris Johnson (RB) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Michael Johnson (LB) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Lemuel Jeanpierre (OL) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Jeremy Horne (WR) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Rich Gunnell (WR) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Tyler Eastman (OL) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 T.C. Drake (TE) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Justin Cole (LB) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
04/25/2010 Garrett Brown (DL) Signed as Rookie Free Agent
03/16/2010 Ryan Lilja (G) Signed Contract
03/12/2010 Casey Wiegmann (C) Signed Contract
03/11/2010 Jerheme Urban (WR) Signed Contract
03/10/2010 Shaun Smith (DT) Signed Contract
03/09/2010 Thomas Jones (RB) Signed Contract
03/03/2010 Tyler Palko (QB) Signed Contract
02/24/2010 Kolby Smith (RB) Signed Contract
02/24/2010 Matt Gutierrez (QB) Signed Contract
01/04/2010 Kestahn Moore (RB) signed.
01/04/2010 Chandler Williams (WR) signed.
01/04/2010 Jermail Porter (T) signed.
01/04/2010 Jackie Bates (CB) signed.
01/04/2010 Bobby Greenwood (DE) signed.

[patteeu]

Knoxville Nukes 2010 Draft:

Accept Thigpen trade.

Accept Tank trade

*REJECT* the trade up for Pick #93 that was used to draft the TE

1. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
2a. Dexter McCluster, RB/WR, Ole Miss
2b. Sean Lee, LB, Penn State
3. Jon Asamoah, OG, Illinois
4. Alterraun Verner, CB, UCLA
5a. Kendrick Lewis, S, Ole Miss
5b. Matt Tennant, C, Boston College
5c. David Reed, WR, Utah

[wazu]

Chiefs training camp begins on 7/29. By that I assume that we are still basically requiring teams to lock down by 7/19.

As I recall we are already down to only 6 teams competing. I think only 4 have reported their 2010 drafts so far. Come on, people! I plan on winning this thing.

[wazu]

Working on my 40-man roster. I'm determined to keep doing this, as I am somewhat obsessed with this game. Rainman - do we have a deadline?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Adam

Working on my 40-man roster. I'm determined to keep doing this, as I am somewhat obsessed with this game. Rainman - do we have a deadline?

I like doing this too, because I think it'll be interesting over the long run. Let's finish our rosters before Game 1.

[Rain Man]

Let's go up to 43 players this year. We should be able to fill more as time goes on.

[Rain Man]

As Step 1 of the 2010 process, this is my team's training camp. My veterans are in black, my free agents are in blue, and my drafted rookies are in red. In my next post, I'll cut it down to 43 players.

Remember that you CANNOT sign a member of the Chiefs if you've previously rejected that person. So for example, if you didn't draft Tyson Jackson or Eric Berry, you can't claim them. You can only claim people that YOU drafted.

Also, you can claim free agents IF this is their FIRST year on the team.

So in other words, your 2010 training camp is as follows:

1. your veterans from last year.
2. NEW free agents coming to the Chiefs in 2010.
3. YOUR rookie draft picks.

QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen (Dolphins)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)


HB
Jamaal Charles
Larry Johnson
Jackie Battle
Dantrell Savage
20 Jones, Thomas RB 5-10 212 32 11 Virginia

C.J. Spiller. (Bills)


FB
Mike Cox
Tim Castille, FB

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers, WR
Mark Bradley
Derrick Williams (Lions)
Lance Long, WR
Bobby Wade, WR
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]11 Horne, Jeremy WR 6-2 193 23 R Massachusetts
[/COLOR]
Dezmon Brisco (Bengals)


TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Leonard Pope, TE

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Alex Boone (49ers)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)


G
Brian Waters
Duke Robinson (Panthers)
Wade Smith
Mike Goff
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]65 Lilja, Ryan G 6-2 290 28 7 Kansas State
[/COLOR]

C
Rudy Niswanger
Jermail Porter, OL
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]62 Wiegmann, Casey C 6-2 285 37 15 Iowa
[/COLOR]
K
(Scrub)

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
Jarrad Page
Reshard Langford, S
49 Lewis, Kendrick DB 6-0 198 22 R Mississippi


SS
Dajuan Morgan
Ricky Price, S
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)


CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
Maurice Leggett
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Travis Daniels, CB
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]41 Bates, Jackie CB 5-10 180 23 1 Hampton
[/COLOR]
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]34 Daniels, Travis CB 6-1 195 27 6 LSU
[/COLOR]

OLB
Tamba Hali
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Andy Studebaker
Monty Beisel
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]57 Cole, Justin LB 6-3 242 22 R San Jose St.
[/COLOR]93 Greenwood, Cory LB 6-2 235 R Concordia University
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)


ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams
Corey Mays
Pierre Walters, LB

DE
Glenn Dorsey
Myron Pryor (Patriots)
Turk McBride
Wallace Gilberry
Bobby Greenwood, DE
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)


DT
Ron Edwards
Tank Tyler
Dion Gales, DT
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]98 Toribio, Anthony DT 6-1 315 25 1 Carson-Newman
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"][/COLOR]90 Smith, Shaun DT 6-2 325 29 6 South Carolina
[/COLOR]

[Rain Man]

Okay, here's my final roster for the year. 43 players. I listed my cuts below.


QB
Mark Sanchez (Jets)
Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)
Brodie Croyle


HB
Jamaal Charles
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
20 Jones, Thomas RB 5-10 212 32 11 Virginia
Jackie Battle


FB
Tim Castille, FB

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Chris Chambers, WR
Derrick Williams (Lions)
11 Horne, Jeremy WR 6-2 193 23 R Massachusetts

TE
Tony Gonzalez (Falcons)
Leonard Pope, TE

T
Branden Albert
Ryan O'Callaghan
Alex Boone (49ers)
Bruce Campbell (Raiders)

G
Brian Waters
65 Lilja, Ryan G 6-2 290 28 7 Kansas State
Wade Smith
Duke Robinson (Panthers)

C
62 Wiegmann, Casey C 6-2 285 37 15 Iowa

K
(Scrub)

P
Dustin Colquitt

FS
49 Lewis, Kendrick DB 6-0 198 22 R Mississippi
Jarrad Page

SS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)

CB
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Carr
D.J. Moore (Bears)
Travis Daniels, CB

OLB
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Andy Studebaker
Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Demorrio Williams

DE
Tamba Hali
Myron Pryor (Patriots)
Wallace Gilberry
DE Alex Carrington (Bills)

DT
Glenn Dorsey
Ron Edwards
90 Smith, Shaun DT 6-2 325 29 6 South Carolina

Cuts

Tyler Thigpen (Dolphins)
Dantrell Savage
Larry Johnson
Mike Cox
Dezmon Brisco (Bengals)
Lance Long, WR
Bobby Wade, WR
Mark Bradley
Mike Goff
Rudy Niswanger
Jermail Porter, OL
Dajuan Morgan
Reshard Langford, S
Ricky Price, S
Maurice Leggett
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]41 Bates, Jackie CB 5-10 180 23 1 Hampton
[/color]
Monty Beisel
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]57 Cole, Justin LB 6-3 242 22 R San Jose St.
[/color]93 Greenwood, Cory
LB 6-2 235 R Concordia University
Pierre Walters, LB
Corey Mays
Turk McBride
Bobby Greenwood, DE
Tank Tyler
Dion Gales, DT
[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]98 Toribio, Anthony DT 6-1 315 25 1 Carson-Newman