Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator

[TLO]

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

I agree. If he's on the roster opening day we made a mistake imo

That would be my opinion too. I just can't trust a guy with that kind of injury history.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And let's stop calling Ford a 13-sacks guy.

His career average is actually 6.1 sacks per season. One good season does not a career make.

That's true.

But we've also seen him get 13 and be on that track in seasons before.

Rushing the passer isn't an issue with him.

We had this conversation in regards to Randy Gregory when someone was calling him a 12 sack per season guy or something.

That's getting into damn elite territory. If a guy can consistently get 8-10, that's pretty ****ing good and hard to find.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's true.

But we've also seen him get 13 and be on that track in seasons before.

Rushing the passer isn't an issue with him.

We had this conversation in regards to Randy Gregory when someone was calling him a 12 sack per season guy or something.

That's getting into damn elite territory. If a guy can consistently get 8-10, that's pretty ****ing good and hard to find.

Dee Ford can't consistently get any. That's the problem.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dee Ford can't consistently get any. That's the problem.

But they aren't looking to have him consistently do it. They're looking for him to do it again in a single year, where he's playing for a contract.

Contract years are damn undefeated.

[O.city]

Also if we're going off consistent seasons etc, he's averaged 13.5 or something games played per season in the NFL.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

But they aren't looking to have him consistently do it. They're looking for him to do it again in a single year, where he's playing for a contract.

Contract years are damn undefeated.

Yeah, and that's a problem. They're looking for him to excel in back-to-back years, something he's literally NEVER done.

They're going to tie up 15+ million of the cap in a guy that has never demonstrated that he can do it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also if we're going off consistent seasons etc, he's averaged 13.5 or something games played per season in the NFL.

He also had a whopping 5.5 sacks his first two season despite appearing in 20 games. Before he was injured 2 years ago, he had 2 sacks in 6 games.

His "good" games are FAR less numerous than his non-existent ones.

Why are people propping this guy up? If he wouldn't have had a good season this year, he would have been talked about around here like Eric Fisher and let's face it, Eric Fisher has been FAR more productive than Dee Ford.

It's pure freaking Derrick Thomas nostalgia. It's completely overridden any sense of reason.

[Kiimo]

Well you're completely ignoring the fact that it took him some time to get good so we all have our agendas I guess.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Well you're completely ignoring the fact that it took him some time to get good so we all have our agendas I guess.

It didn't take him some time to get good. He was always good, even in college.

He's never been fully healthy and people are apparently just willing to ignore that fact.

As for agendas, the only agenda I have is wanting the Chiefs to win a Super Bowl. I don't think they can do that tying up $15+ million of the cap in guys that can't stay healthy. Call me crazy. I mean Eric Berry is the most popular guy on Chiefsplanet, amirite?

[Kiimo]

You are going nuts in multiple threads about Dee Ford. Take a break. He's tagged. What are you trying to accomplish

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

You are going nuts in multiple threads about Dee Ford. Take a break. He's tagged. What are you trying to accomplish

It's a discussion board? Several people are talking about Dee Ford in multiple threads. Take it up with them why don't you?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

You are going nuts in multiple threads about Dee Ford. Take a break. He's tagged. What are you trying to accomplish

He's not tagged yet officially

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He also had a whopping 5.5 sacks his first two season despite appearing in 20 games. Before he was injured 2 years ago, he had 2 sacks in 6 games.

His "good" games are FAR less numerous than his non-existent ones.

Why are people propping this guy up? If he wouldn't have had a good season this year, he would have been talked about around here like Eric Fisher and let's face it, Eric Fisher has been FAR more productive than Dee Ford.

It's pure freaking Derrick Thomas nostalgia. It's completely overridden any sense of reason.

Well, I think you're taking it a little far the other direction.

Sacks come in bunches for a lot of these guys. I'm always a little more interested in pressures and such anyway, disruption is disruption.

The reason people are high on him is that he was one of the most disruptive players in the league this last season. Not every player develops on a straight up curve like we'd hope, so it is what it is.

I wouldn't pay him a long term deal because of the age and the injuries.

But if I can get another season like last season for 15 mil, i'll roll the dice and hope he can repeat it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, I think you're taking it a little far the other direction.

Sacks come in bunches for a lot of these guys. I'm always a little more interested in pressures and such anyway, disruption is disruption.

The reason people are high on him is that he was one of the most disruptive players in the league this last season. Not every player develops on a straight up curve like we'd hope, so it is what it is.

I wouldn't pay him a long term deal because of the age and the injuries.

But if I can get another season like last season for 15 mil, i'll roll the dice and hope he can repeat it.

That $15M could fill 2 holes in the secondary. The picks we could get for him could fill two more.

He literally has one healthy season in his entire career. I simply don't understand how that's worth the risk. Like I said previously, there are fantasy services that track and analyze injuries and injury probabilities. They rate Dee Ford as guy that is slightly more than 50% likely to miss 2-4 games in 2019. That's not risky, that's playing Russian roulette with the season.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That $15M could fill 2 holes in the secondary. The picks we could get for him could fill two more.

He literally has one healthy season in his entire career. I simply don't understand how that's worth the risk. Like I said previously, there are fantasy services that track and analyze injuries and injury probabilities. They rate Dee Ford as guy that is slightly more than 50% likely to miss 2-4 games in 2019. That's not risky, that's playing Russian roulette with the season.

Well for one, with all the money to be had out there in free agency, I don't know really how far his 15 mil will go. It could be a couple guys for sure, but you get into unknown players there.

Secondly, one thing I think you're overlooking a bit is just how "injured" he has been or would have to be to miss a game. Since he's going to be playing for a big deal again, I would imagine he'd be a little more likely to play thru some things where as he hasnt' in the past.