Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[chiefscafan]

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC
12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama
4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina

RB
27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State
25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/198 2 Texas
29 Savage, Dantrell RB ACT 5'8" 182 2/15/1985 2
Oklahoma State

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State
83 Bradley, Mark WR ACT 6'1" 201 1/29/1982 5 Oklahoma
84 Engram, Bobby WR ACT 5'10" 192 1/7/1973 14 Penn State
17 Leele, Ashley WR
15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech

TE
89 Ryan, Sean TE ACT 6'5" 260 3/27/1980 6 Boston College
87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee


T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia
75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California
63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas
74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State
61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee

FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA
47 McGraw, John

SS
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State

CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton


ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame
59 Belcher, Jovan 6'2" 228 Maine

DE
70 Boone
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State


DT
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)




Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas

[chiefscafan]

There you go final team roster

[wazu]

Kind of dreading it, but what is the deadline for Step 4?

[Rain Man]

I think we can start any time. I'm busy at work, so I haven't done it yet to make the template for everybody. Maybe the next couple of weeks or so.

[Rain Man]

Okay, from what I can tell, we had six players who finalized their rosters. Can you look at the enclosed spreadsheet and let me know if you want to change anything on the depth chart? I'll pm the six players.

Since our roster is at 40 right now, I'm tempted to add any players who were picked up in midseason, since they can only help people (other than maybe Lance Long). Would anyone have a problem with me slotting them in?

[Rain Man]

Mid-season additions by the Chiefs include:

Tim Castille, FB
Chris Chambers, WR
Travis Daniels, CB
Dion Gales, DT
Bobby Greenwood, DE
Reshard Langford, S
Lance Long, WR
Kestahn Moore, RB
Leonard Pope, TE
Jermail Porter, OL
Ricky Price, S
Bobby Wade, WR
Pierre Walters, LB
Chandler Williams, WR

Do we want to have the opportunity to add these guys to our roster before the judging?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Mid-season additions by the Chiefs include:

Tim Castille, FB
Chris Chambers, WR
Travis Daniels, CB
Dion Gales, DT
Bobby Greenwood, DE
Reshard Langford, S
Lance Long, WR
Kestahn Moore, RB
Leonard Pope, TE
Jermail Porter, OL
Ricky Price, S
Bobby Wade, WR
Pierre Walters, LB
Chandler Williams, WR

Do we want to have the opportunity to add these guys to our roster before the judging?

I'm down with adding them in. God knows I need WR help bad.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Do we want to have the opportunity to add these guys to our roster before the judging?

I'm OK with adding them.

[chiefscafan]

LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th


LA Cobras
Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)


QB
7 Cassel, Matt QB ACT 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 5 USC 15

12 Croyle, Brodie QB ACT 6'2" 206 2/6/1983 4 Alabama 1

4 Thigpen, Tyler QB ACT 6'1" 224 4/14/1984 3 Coastal Carolina 0


RB

27 Johnson, Larry RB ACT 6'1" 230 11/19/1979 7 Penn State 2

25 Charles, Jamaal RB ACT 5'11" 199 12/27/198 2 Texas 14

42 Cox, Mike FB ACT 6'0" 252 7/11/1985 2 Georgia Tech 13

46 Tim CAstile 3


WR

82 Bowe, Dwayne WR ACT 6'2" 221 9/21/1984 3 Louisiana State 12

80 Bobby wade 9 games

11 Chris chambers 4

17 lance long 8

15 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech 7

TE

49 Pope 10

87 Cottam, Brad TE ACT 6'7" 269 11/28/1984 2 Tennessee 6



T
76 Albert, Branden T ACT 6'5" 316 11/4/1984 2 Virginia 14 games

75 O'Callaghan, Ryan OT ACT 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 4 California 15

63 Andrew Gardner OT 6'7 304 Georgia Tech 1

G
54 Waters, Brian G ACT 6'3" 320 2/18/1977 10 North Texas 15

74 Smith, Wade G ACT 6'4" 296 4/26/1981 7 Memphis 9

60 andy allerman 7

C
64 Niswanger, Rudy C ACT 6'5" 301 11/9/1982 4 Louisiana State 16

61 AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) 6'0 298

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina 16

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P ACT 6'3" 210 5/6/1982 5 Tennessee 16

FS
44 Page, Jarrad FS ACT 6'0" 225 10/19/1984 4 UCLA 12
47 McGraw, John 4

SS
48 Brown, Mike DB ACT 5'10" 207 2/13/1978 10 Nebraska 16
38 Morgan, DaJuan SAF ACT 6'0" 203 10/21/1985 2 North Carolina State

CB
24 Flowers, Brandon CB ACT 5'9" 187 2/18/1986 2 Virginia Tech 15
39 Carr, Brandon CB ACT 6'0" 207 5/19/1986 2 Grand Valley State 16
31 Leggett, Maurice CB ACT 5'11" 188 10/2/1986 2 Valdosta State 1

OLB
91 Hali, Tamba LB ACT 6'3" 275 11/3/1983 4 Penn State 16
50 Vrabel, Mike LB ACT 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 13 Ohio State 14
96 Studebaker, Andy LB ACT 6'3" 248 9/16/1985 2 Wheaton 2


ILB
56 Johnson, Derrick ILB ACT 6'3" 242 11/22/1982 5 Texas 10
51 Mays, Corey LB ACT 6'1" 245 11/27/1983 4 Notre Dame 16
59 Belcher, Jovan 6'2" 228 Maine 6

DE
70 Boone 14
72 Dorsey, Glenn DE ACT 6'1" 297 8/1/1985 2 Louisiana State 14
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST 2

DT
93 Tyler, Tank DT ACT 6'2" 306 2/14/1985 3 North Carolina State 16
73 Gilbert, Jarron 6'5 288 San Jose ST


IR:


59 Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
88 Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)




Cuts:

10 Copper, Terrance WR ACT 6'0" 207 3/12/1982 6 East Carolina
57 Dacus, Weston LB RES 6'1" 232 9/19/1985 2 Arkansas

[Rain Man]

Okay, let's add them in. If you can open the spreadsheet, you can replace scrubs with these players, or I guess you could even cut players if you want, though I see no real reason to do that. Maybe if you've already got that position filled you might want to do it.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Okay, let's add them in. If you can open the spreadsheet, you can replace scrubs with these players, or I guess you could even cut players if you want, though I see no real reason to do that. Maybe if you've already got that position filled you might want to do it.

Why? We're not settling on a final roster this time, correct? I've got guys on my roster with zero starts - do I need to even bother listing them? Should starts add up to 16 per position?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Adam

Why? We're not settling on a final roster this time, correct? I've got guys on my roster with zero starts - do I need to even bother listing them? Should starts add up to 16 per position?

You should list them for depth. Starts should add up to 16, but if your roster has less than that you'll need to use scrubs to fill it out.

Which brings up a question. Can you use backups? Maybe what we really should do is use games as the measure, and you can start a guy 16 weeks if he played in 16 games. That way, for example, you could use a Wallace Gilberry instead of a scrub if you didn't have enough defensive end starts.

Yeah, that's the way it should work. So Bowe, for instance, could get up to 12 starts since he played in 12 games. Charles could start 15 games if he was active in 15. (I think he was inactive one week.) And so on.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

You should list them for depth. Starts should add up to 16, but if your roster has less than that you'll need to use scrubs to fill it out.

Which brings up a question. Can you use backups? Maybe what we really should do is use games as the measure, and you can start a guy 16 weeks if he played in 16 games. That way, for example, you could use a Wallace Gilberry instead of a scrub if you didn't have enough defensive end starts.

Yeah, that's the way it should work. So Bowe, for instance, could get up to 12 starts since he played in 12 games. Charles could start 15 games if he was active in 15. (I think he was inactive one week.) And so on.

I'll go with whatever, but sticking to starts only might make it less complicated, and easier to see who has the better team. I'm thinking voting for this is going to be a challenging event.

[Rain Man]

Okay, here are the final rosters. I brought us all up to 53 people. I'll post the poll on the main page.

[Rain Man]

Updated with draft picks held.