The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch

Well, yeah. That was a pretty obvious goal of the owners in this last CBA.

Then I don’t see any way that comment is anything more than trolling. It would put KC in position to have him next year on the franchise tag for less than his cap charge this year, while also giving them all that extra cap room for the year. And still having him for the stretch run and playoffs this year.

Right now if he shows up and plays on the current deal, he has missed training camp and preseason and a game check and a few million, but franchise tagging him is still too costly and therefore risky for KC. Even holding out thru two regular season games might be enough to make the franchise tag more palatable (considering KC gets a 1.3M swing it’s way between the salary withheld that rolls over in 24 cap space plus the 250k reduction of his franchise tag number).

That threat ain’t real unless his agents don’t realize how it works out.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Sounds like you do too.

Keep it in D.C., dumb bundle of sticks.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Are we sure on that? We know KC gets a salary cap credit for next year in that scenario.

So say he holds out 8 games. Chiefs get $9M in cap credit towards 24 + it lowers his franchise tag number so much it isn’t a problem for KC to tag him at it?

That significantly reduces the players leverage on the holdout.

The way I see everything worded from what we've previously looked up on this, PYS only includes payments made to the player.

Verbage: A player's PYS is composed of his base salary, roster and reporting bonuses, prorated signing bonus and other payments to players for playing in the NFL for the previous league year

If he doesn't play, he gets no pay. Therefore it can't count to his salary.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Then I don’t see any way that comment is anything more than trolling. It would put KC in position to have him next year on the franchise tag for less than his cap charge this year, while also giving them all that extra cap room for the year. And still having him for the stretch run and playoffs this year.

Right now if he shows up and plays on the current deal, he has missed training camp and preseason and a game check and a few million, but franchise tagging him is still too costly and therefore risky for KC. Even holding out thru two regular season games might be enough to make the franchise tag more palatable (considering KC gets a 1.3M swing it’s way between the salary withheld that rolls over in 24 cap space plus the 250k reduction of his franchise tag number).

That threat ain’t real unless his agents don’t realize how it works out.

Wouldn't shock me if he does. We apparently bring in players who choose to have reeruned representation.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Would not be surprised to see some decent d-linemen cut from the Jets and the Chiefs possibly signing one.

Quinnen Williams might be available? Because otherwise I don't think a cast-off is going to help that much.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

We don't need him until November anyway.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Keep it in D.C., dumb bundle of sticks.

Or what, reerun?

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Or what, reerun?

It was just a suggestion. If you want to look like a useless bundle of sticks in the main forum as well, be my guest.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Quinnen Williams might be available? Because otherwise I don't think a cast-off is going to help that much.

Not sure where the money would come from to do that either.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Then I don’t see any way that comment is anything more than trolling. It would put KC in position to have him next year on the franchise tag for less than his cap charge this year, while also giving them all that extra cap room for the year. And still having him for the stretch run and playoffs this year.

Right now if he shows up and plays on the current deal, he has missed training camp and preseason and a game check and a few million, but franchise tagging him is still too costly and therefore risky for KC. Even holding out thru two regular season games might be enough to make the franchise tag more palatable (considering KC gets a 1.3M swing it’s way between the salary withheld that rolls over in 24 cap space plus the 250k reduction of his franchise tag number).

That threat ain’t real unless his agents don’t realize how it works out.

The dude that he responded to was a complete dipshit, like a lot of dipshits here. He was 100% trolling. He misses 8 games and drops his franchise tag amount for next year and gives us the extra cap space, but that also gives us the opportunity to franchise him two years in a row.

Take $8 mil off of his salary this year and that drops him to ~ $19 mil, so it'd only cost us $22.8 mil to franchise him next year and with the extra $8 mil rolled over, then we'd basically be paying $14 mil for him in 2024. We could then franchise tag him again in 2025 for just $27 mil. That puts him at basically 2 yr/~$50 mil and the Chiefs would only be paying ~$42 mil over those 2 years because of the cap rollover. Hell if we wanted to we could even franchise him again in 2026 for $33 mil. That's a 3 year/$80-$85 mil deal.

If he misses 8 games, then he legitimately has no leverage and it would allow the team to franchise tag him until he's out of his prime. There is no way in hell he's gonna do that unless he/his agents don't know the rules.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Or what, reerun?

Holy shit, shut up. ****ing loony ass DC filth.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Not sure where the money would come from to do that either.

Yeah, Q's probably not on the menu.


I think we're just not going to have an interior pass-rush from a DL/DLs for 6 weeks. At least we only face one truly gifted QB in that stretch. Maybe we'll just sneak through before it becomes an issue.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

If he's dumb enough to sit out until week 8, which I can't imagine him doing, then deactivate him for the remainder of the season. See what that does for his market value next year.

That would be pretty ideal for the Chiefs to be honest. Chiefs save 13 million dollars and still get Jones for the important games. It isn't like we need him for the beginning of the season anyway. But...he won't sit out 8 games. He's full of shit - or reeruned.

[BWillie]

nt

[Gravedigger]

I can't get behind hurting the team this year for one man's ego and gain, no matter how well deserved it is, Chris Jones can stay out until Week 8 and do whatever he wants, but he's burning bridges and is going to end up getting traded to the Cardinals at this point.