Joe "Cool" and being elite? Yeah, no.

[mr. tegu]

I admit I realize I have been overestimating him like many others. He is quite good but elite he is not and he definitely hasn't earned his "cool" moniker. And I have heard multiple pundits now say, even after yesterday he is a better QB than Mahomes, but Mahomes is the better player. Talk about moving the goalposts to fit your narrative.

I will give him credit for the Brady comparison though as he has absolutely been carried by his defense and luck like Brady was in his earlier years in winning playoff games. But Burrow isn't as clutch as Brady was even back then.

And for those who think he is even close to Mahomes:

Burrow 0 times 30 point postseason games to Mahomes 8
300 yard games is 1 to 7
TD drives in fourth quarter is a whopping 0 to 14

Good old Nick Wright has more in the video but here is a picture with the most relevant part of Burrow's fourth quarter stats in the postseason. It's remarkable the Bengals have won any games honestly in the postseason.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Someday you will grow up and realize not everyone is special.

No one is scared of Burrow when they gameplan. They are scared of who he throwing the ball to.

He is a great QB as of today but how much is from his WR bailing him out?

You betcha, little guy! That's a great point!

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Someday you will grow up and realize not everyone is special.

No one is scared of Burrow when they gameplan. They are scared of who he throwing the ball to.

He is a great QB as of today but how much is from his WR bailing him out?

Burrow definitely is respected by DCs around the league. I don't know if scared would be the right word, frankly I don't think any DC should be scared of any QB but Burrow has got a nice skill set that makes it hard on defenses.

Yeah he has weapons but so what so does Mahomes. Kelce is arguably greatest TE of all-time and while we don't have a superstar WR as a group - they are good. Not to mention Reid is a great offensive HC who is extremely creative.

No one can do it by themselves. It's a team game.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I am, too.

I think right now, Hurts is probably right at about #4 when healthy. His physical gifts are off the charts.

I don't think he's near 100% healthy (at least not these last few games) and I'm not certain if his mental processing is elite yet, but the tools are all there, and he can make up for any of that with his legs at this point in his career.

Oh I agree and think that him not being 100% is a huge advantage for us and I doubt that he will be either by the SB. It looks like they rushed him back too soon and that last game with those designed runs could not have helped him heal at all.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Someday you will grow up and realize not everyone is special.

No one is scared of Burrow when they gameplan. They are scared of who he throwing the ball to.

He is a great QB as of today but how much is from his WR bailing him out?

0%, ya jabroni.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

0%, ya jabroni.

More like Joe Broni!

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

0%, ya jabroni.

Keep doubling down on your stupidity.

[Chief3188]

Burrow has elite accuracy and processing. In my opinion he is definitely the number 2 QB in the NFL right now.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Someday you will grow up and realize not everyone is special.

No one is scared of Burrow when they gameplan. They are scared of who he throwing the ball to.

He is a great QB as of today but how much is from his WR bailing him out?

You're the living embodiment of Idiocracy.

[New World Order]

1. Mahomes

2. Burrow

3. Allen

4. Herbert

5. Lawrence/Hurts

Allen without a doubt would be second if he wasn't so erratic.

[carcosa]

Joe Burrow is basically doo doo in da toilet, to me

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Keep doubling down on your stupidity.

Someone is.

[ToxSocks]

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Herbert

That's my order. Allen has already shown that he can carry and be electric on a team with lesser talent. Burrow has not shown us that he can win like that.

And as much credit as people wanna give him for being this Brady like savant, Spags made him look like a rookie.

What was that i heard, ZERO sustained drives over 8 plays against us on Sunday? 2 Ints and what easily coulda been 2 more.

Burrow threw a ball right at McDuffie who barely even moved off his spot in a base cover 2.

Dude's game basically amounted to two prayer balls in which his receivers made excellent plays. Plays that most receivers won't make.

So no, spare me this crap about him being intellectually elite.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Eli has a .500 record as a starter and his stats overall are mid.

He benefited from a legendary performance from his defense in 2007.

Ryan also has a MVP.

Eli manning will be a fascinating vote. For two playoff runs he had an absolutely outstandingly efficient performance. I don’t think you can chalk that up to just defense. That was an elite game manager type performance.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

If they're on a trajectory for a gold jacket, the perception problem is yours, not mine.

You don’t get to be elite because of what you might do. That’s ridiculous. On the field results are all that matters. Otherwise it’s just potential.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I think they'll probably have some drop off in a year or 2 when Burrow's contract hits. It'll be more interesting to see what happens with their offense though as they can't afford Higgins/Chase/Boyd long-term. I think they should move on from Mixon sooner than later.

Also, going by eye test, Burrow hasn't played like shit like Allen did in his 2 PO games this year. He looked like ass vs Miami and he looked like ass vs Cincy. His play vs Miami would have likely cost them the game (along with their defense) if Miami had a QB with a pulse.



Nick Foles is 1-0 vs Brady in the SB, but when you look at the #s, Brady actually outplayed Foles by a large margin. I'd also argue Eli shouldn't have won either SB MVPs (Tyree and Manningham deserve more credit, IMO, with their catches).

Yes, 28-3 is awful. But how much on that is on Ryan vs the defense/Shanahan going conservative on offensive playcalling?



Rivers played on a torn ACL in the AFC Championship game losing by 9 against a team that went 16-0 and had another season end because Schottenheimer went full Schottenheimer vs the Patriots at the worst possible time in 2006 along with a DB fumbling an interception to give Brady a chance to tie the game.

To me, to be considered elite, a QB's play has to elevate those around him. I'd argue Rivers and Ryan both did that.



His defense has helped, yes. But Burrow hasn't played well. He's put the Bengals in a situation to win. As I said, his #s last year were comparable to Jimmy G in the POs. I recognize the defense has been opportunistic and is a large part of their success. But acting as if Burrow is like Trent Dilfer is inaccurate.

If your argument is that Burrow isn't Mahomes, fine. I agree. But if you're going to discredit him, you'd have to day the same with a guy like Brady or Roethlisberger who had good defenses/supporting casts.

Ryan and Rivers are not elite despite having seasons as good or better than Burrow. And I don’t think more than their cities fans would argue otherwise.

Elite can’t just be a few good/great regular seasons unless you have hardware or at the very LEAST amazing postseason performance with some bad luck. Burrow only has the regular season which isn’t enough considering he’s not even blowing out the competition in that.