2014-2015 NBA regular season thread.

[Al Bundy]

I will update this when the schedule is announced in a couple of weeks, but I will open with the new uniforms for the Charlotte Hornets below.

Introducing the brand new Charlotte #HornetsUnis! http://t.co/MgHy2DcOTX pic.twitter.com/w59MlUvRgd

— Charlotte Hornets (@hornets) June 19, 2014

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by okcchief

Wiggins has a lot of potentail, but if you can get Love you do it. No brainer. Irving, Love and LBJ with the role players they do and will have make them Championship contenders day one. Although, I tend to think they maybe anyway. I would definitely still favor them in the East with the expected roster. If you get that far you have some kind of chance. Lebron is that valuable.

I just prefer Wiggins on the floor because you already have bad defenders in Kyrie and Waiters, and Love is even worse. So basically your 4 man lineup is going to be LBJ and a bunch of crappy defenders. In other words, you take Lebron out of the game, and the defense is going to really suck.

Take LBJ out and put Wiggins on the best man. Let Kyrie and Waiters take over the offense. Use this year to see what you actually have out of Bennett and Tristan Thompson. The next year, the Cavs will have a $10M trade exception which they should use on a decent big.

No doubt Love makes the Cavs a whole lot better. I just feel at this stage in Lebron's career, he can't keep pumping out 40 minute games. And a big 3 is going to force him to do that.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I just prefer Wiggins on the floor because you already have bad defenders in Kyrie and Waiters, and Love is even worse. So basically your 4 man lineup is going to be LBJ and a bunch of crappy defenders. In other words, you take Lebron out of the game, and the defense is going to really suck.

Take LBJ out and put Wiggins on the best man. Let Kyrie and Waiters take over the offense. Use this year to see what you actually have out of Bennett and Tristan Thompson. The next year, the Cavs will have a $10M trade exception which they should use on a decent big.

No doubt Love makes the Cavs a whole lot better. I just feel at this stage in Lebron's career, he can't keep pumping out 40 minute games. And a big 3 is going to force him to do that.

Valid points

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Having a pair of lousy shooters (Howard, Rondo) among your "big 3" isn't really a good idea, especially in crunch time. I don't see this deal, at least in the forms I've seen put out there, working out for either team.

Rondo is a better shooter than he was 2-3 years ago. I see no difference than when it was him and Perkins on the floor together.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Rondo is a better shooter than he was 2-3 years ago. I see no difference than when it was him and Perkins on the floor together.

Back then, it was Garnett, Allen and Pierce. Rondo and Perkins were at the bottom of the hierarchy.

And Rondo still can't shoot, and only shoots about 60% from the line.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I just prefer Wiggins on the floor because you already have bad defenders in Kyrie and Waiters, and Love is even worse. So basically your 4 man lineup is going to be LBJ and a bunch of crappy defenders. In other words, you take Lebron out of the game, and the defense is going to really suck.

Take LBJ out and put Wiggins on the best man. Let Kyrie and Waiters take over the offense. Use this year to see what you actually have out of Bennett and Tristan Thompson. The next year, the Cavs will have a $10M trade exception which they should use on a decent big.

No doubt Love makes the Cavs a whole lot better. I just feel at this stage in Lebron's career, he can't keep pumping out 40 minute games. And a big 3 is going to force him to do that.

You're making an assumption that Wiggins will be an elite defender. We don't know that yet. He's talented, he seems to care about that end of the floor and he'll probably be pretty good. But it's not proven yet. He's skinny and not particularly physical yet. He's quick and can leap, but that doesn't equal elite defender just yet.

I get what you're saying, and there's merit to it. He helps on D, he costs less than Love and gives you some overlap (at least on D) with LeBron. But I'd take my chances I could find those traits elsewhere and go grab the 25 and 13 guy 10 out of 10 times to pair with LeBron and Kyrie. Wiggins takes some pressure off LeBron on D, but Love takes that much or more pressure of LeBron on the offensive end.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Back then, it was Garnett, Allen and Pierce. Rondo and Perkins were at the bottom of the hierarchy.

And Rondo still can't shoot, and only shoots about 60% from the line.

I know but Rondo would get Howard so many easy shots it wouldn't be funny and he would average double digit assists.

Regardless this trade isn't going to happen Houston doesn't have anybody that Ainge would want in return for their best player

[dirk digler]

As a MU fan I didn't pay much attention to the team this year but Jordan Clarkson has looked good in Summer League and just got the game winning touch in to beat the Warriors.

And I know alot of people don't like Aaron Craft but I think he is going to make the Warriors roster, Kerr really likes him.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KevB

You're making an assumption that Wiggins will be an elite defender. We don't know that yet. He's talented, he seems to care about that end of the floor and he'll probably be pretty good. But it's not proven yet. He's skinny and not particularly physical yet. He's quick and can leap, but that doesn't equal elite defender just yet.

I get what you're saying, and there's merit to it. He helps on D, he costs less than Love and gives you some overlap (at least on D) with LeBron. But I'd take my chances I could find those traits elsewhere and go grab the 25 and 13 guy 10 out of 10 times to pair with LeBron and Kyrie. Wiggins takes some pressure off LeBron on D, but Love takes that much or more pressure of LeBron on the offensive end.

I think his offensive game needs a lot of work. But I really think he's going to be an excellent defender and that he's NBA ready. It shouldn't be hard to be a defensive upgrade over Kyrie and Waiters at least. Without Love, the Cavs will still have good enough lineups to sit LBJ and get productive minutes. With Love and minus Wiggins, you really can't have a good defensive rotation out there. I can just see Lebron having to stay on the floor because nobody else can play defense.

But it's not just that. I'm just not a fan of handing out 3 max contracts. Especially on a team that has a ton of first round picks with upside rounding out the roster.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by KevB

You're making an assumption that Wiggins will be an elite defender. We don't know that yet. He's talented, he seems to care about that end of the floor and he'll probably be pretty good. But it's not proven yet. He's skinny and not particularly physical yet. He's quick and can leap, but that doesn't equal elite defender just yet.

I get what you're saying, and there's merit to it. He helps on D, he costs less than Love and gives you some overlap (at least on D) with LeBron. But I'd take my chances I could find those traits elsewhere and go grab the 25 and 13 guy 10 out of 10 times to pair with LeBron and Kyrie. Wiggins takes some pressure off LeBron on D, but Love takes that much or more pressure of LeBron on the offensive end.

That's why you could make the argument they'd be better off with LeBron/Wiggins/Love, and trade Irving away. That won't happen though. Wiggins would be a great compliment to LeBron. I think they could develop into a nice duo.

However, they might very well need another good frontcourt player if they want to win a title.

[RustShack]

Loves scoring and rebounding would take a big hit in Cleveland. He's also a liability on defense and we already have players like that.

[RustShack]

I still filmily believe Love can be had without giving up Wiggins.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Loves scoring and rebounding would take a big hit in Cleveland. He's also a liability on defense and we already have players like that.

If the trade goes through, Love is the most talented scorer that Lebron has ever played with.

He's not some shit **** like Chris Bosh. He's far more like Dirk.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by SNR

If the trade goes through, Love is the most talented scorer that Lebron has ever played with.

He's not some shit **** like Chris Bosh. He's far more like Dirk.

Hey I'd Love to land him, but they were reporting today that most GM's agree with the Cavs and you can't trade Wiggins.

Teams just don't trade that type if talent for a player who's disgruntled and about to walk. It's just common sense. Love holds all the cards, he gets traded where he wants to get traded otherwise he refuses to sign with said team too.

[RustShack]

Irving and LeBron will be a super dynamic duo. Cleveland can get away with the other guys being young because of how talented and how much potential there is. LeBron took a Cleveland roster that didn't even have a quarter of this much talent, or a co star like Irving to the finals and had the best regular season record in the league with the worst coach in the league. Scoring and wins won't be a problem. We need defenders like Wiggins.

[Sassy Squatch]

If Cavs can't get it done without Wiggins they should probably just drop it