Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This worked against a Seahawks team that played man coverage and blitzed. The Eagles played zone the entire game and did not blitz one time. Not at all the same defense. That defense is designed to defend what Tom Brady did to the Seahawks.

No QB is having success when teams can get consistent historic pressure only rushing 4. We saw the Giants beat the shit out of Tom Brady in 2 SB’s utilizing that scheme and rarely blitzing.

Heck, Brady still needed a goal line stand by Belichick's defense to win that game. Biggest mistake of Pete Carroll & Russell Wilson's careers. LOL

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by O.city

Andy heck takes a lot of shit for being one of the better ol coaches in the league

To me it's because they went into last season first game w/ Kingsley a rook as starter and Morris as backup thinking they were good. NFL showed they were NOT good by end of the second game. This failure plagued the season and cost the SB ultimately. Veach/Reid definitely deserve blame with this as well, quality control at LT was a huge issue and a blind spot

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Why would a defense honor the run if they know you won't run? This is silly.

They don't honor the run if you don't run at all.

But people overstate the amount of times you have to run in order to get them to honor it. It's more along the lines of 12-15 times/gm.

They also presume a linear relationship that doesn't seem to exist -- i.e. a team that runs the ball 25 times is going to have greater success with play-fakes because teams honor the run MORE than a team that runs it 15 times.

That linear relationship also doesn't appear to exist.

Tendencies matter more than raw numbers. Perhaps that's where we're struggling -- maybe we have obvious tendencies in certain down/distance situations that opposing DCs have picked up on.

But as far as us needing to run the ball more to establish the play action passing game or something like that? Not really - we run it enough based on any real research done on the matter.

[Balto]

We need OT and WR help this offseason and Simmons is a stud that could slip to 10-15 because of injury, otherwise top 5 talent..BUT yes still raw.

Phins have #13 pick!

Phins get:
2025, 2026 ans 2027 1st round picks!

Chiefs get:
Tyreek
Armstead
#13-Draft Simmons

Tyreek comes home!

Armstead is starter at LT while both Simmons and Kingsley develop! IF Armstead goes down Simmons/Kingsley can step in.

The goal will be for Simmons to replace Armstead and Kingsley replace Taylor in a year or two.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They don't honor the run if you don't run at all.

But people overstate the amount of times you have to run in order to get them to honor it. It's more along the lines of 12-15 times/gm.

They also presume a linear relationship that doesn't seem to exist -- i.e. a team that runs the ball 25 times is going to have greater success with play-fakes because teams honor the run MORE than a team that runs it 15 times.

That linear relationship also doesn't appear to exist.

Tendencies matter more than raw numbers. Perhaps that's where we're struggling -- maybe we have obvious tendencies in certain down/distance situations that opposing DCs have picked up on.

But as far as us needing to run the ball more to establish the play action passing game or something like that? Not really - we run it enough based on any real research done on the matter.

I'm not presuming anything like that.

But if you never run, or never run it in THIS situation, and I'm, say the MLB, I'm not going bite on that fake, I'm looking for the slot or TE coming across.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Balto

We need OT and WR help this offseason and Simmons is a stud that could slip to 10-15 because of injury, otherwise top 5 talent..BUT yes still raw.

Phins have #13 pick!

Phins get:
2025, 2026 ans 2027 1st round picks!

Chiefs get:
Tyreek
Armstead
#13-Draft Simmons

Tyreek comes home!

Armstead is starter at LT while both Simmons and Kingsley develop! IF Armstead goes down Simmons/Kingsley can step in.

The goal will be for Simmons to replace Armstead and Kingsley replace Taylor in a year or two.

That's a terrible trade for the Dolphins. Why would they do that?

Also not great for KC as we can't really afford those cap numbers.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

2022 was one of the historically best overall offenses in history. Was it that much more talented than the last 2?

The offense in 2022 had a variety of ways they could beat you. Kelce was still Kelce, 2022 Juju would be WR1 for this team the last 2 years (2024 post Rice injury) and McKinnon had 9 TD’s and over 500 yards. MVS was even credible with nearly 700 yards before he forgot how to catch a year later. OL was credible too despite some issues at times.

How could you possibly look at this years offense post Rice injury and think it’s anything close to the same?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The offense in 2022 had a variety of ways they could beat you. Kelce was still Kelce, 2022 Juju would be WR1 for this team the last 2 years (2024 post Rice injury) and McKinnon had 9 TD’s and over 500 yards. MVS was even credible with nearly 700 yards before he forgot how to catch a year later. OL was credible too despite some issues at times.

How could you possibly look at this years offense post Rice injury and think it’s anything close to the same?

It also was a zag in terms of offensive approach and scheme.

Kansas City was still defended with two deep shells, like it was when Hill was here, but the offense shifted into killing teams underneath and with YAC. It became a really efficient, consistent,
Inevitable machine.

Once teams came out of the shell and started playing more man coverage and single high against that, it squeezed off the YAC yardage. Pair that with Kelce finally losing a step and talent step backs at WR, and you’ve got what happened the last two years.

[Hoover]

I have zero interest in Tyreek. Zero. In fact I think he would destroy this team.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Balto

We need OT and WR help this offseason and Simmons is a stud that could slip to 10-15 because of injury, otherwise top 5 talent..BUT yes still raw.

Phins have #13 pick!

Phins get:
2025, 2026 ans 2027 1st round picks!

Chiefs get:
Tyreek
Armstead
#13-Draft Simmons

Tyreek comes home!

Armstead is starter at LT while both Simmons and Kingsley develop! IF Armstead goes down Simmons/Kingsley can step in.

The goal will be for Simmons to replace Armstead and Kingsley replace Taylor in a year or two.

I applaud your creativity! I’m a bit surprised no one’s calling for Tyreek's return. I’d have him back if we can put a muzzle on him. IF that deal were possible, I’d consider it, but I think you’re probably undervaluing that trade. Maaaybe two 1sts gets us to 13, maaaybe. Doesn’t exactly align with the draft value chart but I think teams value 1st rounders a bit differently. But a single 1st for Tyreek? I don’t see that working, not to mention you want Armstead as well. Miami needs OL just as bad or worse than we do, why wouldn’t they just take Simmons themselves and keep Tyreek? Say they’d accept three 1sts for Tyreek and Simmons, which seems more likely to me, that’s a hefty price to pay for us and fans would be split on that decision but I’d be entertain your proposal and pray it works out lol

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I have zero interest in Tyreek. Zero. In fact I think he would destroy this team.

50:50 chance lol he dumb as rocks.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I have zero interest in Tyreek. Zero. In fact I think he would destroy this team.

Tyreek gives us nothing we don't already have with Worthy and Rice. Nothing.

Compare Worthy and Tyreek's rookie seasons. Not even close.

Worthy will be in the Pro Bowl next season.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

2022 was one of the historically best overall offenses in history. Was it that much more talented than the last 2?

Originally Posted by RunKC

The offense in 2022 had a variety of ways they could beat you. Kelce was still Kelce, 2022 Juju would be WR1 for this team the last 2 years (2024 post Rice injury) and McKinnon had 9 TD’s and over 500 yards. MVS was even credible with nearly 700 yards before he forgot how to catch a year later. OL was credible too despite some issues at times.

How could you possibly look at this years offense post Rice injury and think it’s anything close to the same?

The answer to this question is and has always been left tackle.

Left tackle play and tight end play was much worse in 2024 compared to 2022. And that is the difference.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I applaud your creativity! I’m a bit surprised no one’s calling for Tyreek's return. I’d have him back if we can put a muzzle on him. IF that deal were possible, I’d consider it, but I think you’re probably undervaluing that trade. Maaaybe two 1sts gets us to 13, maaaybe. Doesn’t exactly align with the draft value chart but I think teams value 1st rounders a bit differently. But a single 1st for Tyreek? I don’t see that working, not to mention you want Armstead as well. Miami needs OL just as bad or worse than we do, why wouldn’t they just take Simmons themselves and keep Tyreek? Say they’d accept three 1sts for Tyreek and Simmons, which seems more likely to me, that’s a hefty price to pay for us and fans would be split on that decision but I’d be entertain your proposal and pray it works out lol

How about 2 firsts + tag and trade Trey Smith and maybe some change for Simmons and Tyreek? But that still doesn’t feel right to me for either side.

Tough trade proposal you’ve cooked up I think.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Tyreek gives us nothing we don't already have with Worthy and Rice. Nothing.

Compare Worthy and Tyreek's rookie seasons. Not even close.

Worthy will be in the Pro Bowl next season.

Truth. We don’t need him, we have the best WR core now that we’ve had in years assuming we can bring back our vet FAs which I don’t think we can. Tyreek would either eat up all the targets from Rice and Worthy or not be worth his contract.