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Old 02-09-2025, 08:08 PM  
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Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect
I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen
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They haven't been able to find even that baseline of play in the draft for a little while. Niang, Morris, and Suamataia are all not it to this point in their careers, and if the talking heads locally are to be believed they're already gearing towards Suamataia shifting inside.
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Josh Simmons could be an elite LT. He has the traits.
Nah. Can't trade up. It's impossibru.
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Elite left tackle taken outside the top 10 is what, a once every five years proposition in the modern era?

Going to be hard for KC. Only shot is luck or a guy like Simmons dropping due to injury, or a Tunsil who dropped over a stupid video.

We don't need elite though.
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Elite left tackle taken outside the top 10 is what, a once every five years proposition in the modern era?

Going to be hard for KC. Only shot is luck or a guy like Simmons dropping due to injury, or a Tunsil who dropped over a stupid video.

We don't need elite though.
Sounds like we DO though. Since the Chiefs offensive system is so damn hard on the OTs and all.
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Nah. Can't trade up. It's impossibru.
The issue isn't trading up.

The issue is putting all your eggs into that basket as if you're assured to get that player.

You'd have to bandaid LT just in case the plan fails with someone like DJ Humphries who you've been adamantly against keeping.
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Josh Simmons could be an elite LT. He has the traits.
He’s very raw, and would not be able to start practicing until training camp due to his injury recovery.
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Sounds like we DO though. Since the Chiefs offensive system is so damn hard on the OTs and all.
To win? No. To not risk getting Patrick killed? Yeah you need elite if Andy isn't going to adapt.

Even OBJ nearly cost us LVII with the ankle sprain.
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The issue isn't trading up.

The issue is putting all your eggs into that basket as if you're assured to get that player.

You'd have to bandaid LT just in case the plan fails with someone like DJ Humphries who you've been adamantly against keeping.
I'm not against bandaiding at all. I'm against bandaiding with a completely useless broke dick. That's just a complete waste of time.
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Andy Reid would've rather played Suamataia over Humphries in the Super Bowl. That's how ****ing useless he is.
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I'm in agreement with you guys. I've said for a couple weeks no matter who LT is, Andy needs to evolve with the times. Tackle play sucks compared to the days when he first built his offenses.

But I'm not going to hold my breath.
He’s too stubborn and that’s what separates him and Belichick.

When Bill dominated teams with a 3-4 defense, teams tried copying it. Bill saw this and pivoted to a 4-3. Teams were drafting all of the 3-4 DL early which meant the traditional 4-3 DE’s would fall to him. Same in FA. That’s what made him outsmart everybody.

Andy has got to put his pride away and take advantage. Perfect example is the Broncos. They had the best pass rushing unit in football leading the league in sacks and pressures. Their one flaw was undersized DL. Bonitto and Cooper were 250 lbs and Zack Allen/John-Franklin Myers were 280 lbs.

The Bills recognized that huge disparity in size and just bullied the **** out of them running the ball down their throat and moving their smaller DL at will at will all day.

We are too one dimensional. That’s a major part of our asswhooping. These teams do not respect our run game at all. They know Andy doesn’t want to do it and they know we aren’t good at it, so they pin their ears back and rush the same as if they have a lead.
Andy watching our QB and OL struggle badly immediately and not even bothering to run the ball until the 12th offensive play of the game is full proof of this.

Not saying we should convert to a run first offense by any means, but we need to be 2 dimensional. We need to be able to run the ball well when needed which will open up play action.

We also need to help our QB. We can’t keep putting everything on him with little help.
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He’s very raw, and would not be able to start practicing until training camp due to his injury recovery.
Yes, you’d definitely need a veteran tackle for year 1 but I really want a long term LT that can protect Mahomes for the rest of his career. Pat needs to trust his oline. He plays so much better when he’s not anxious and having continuity at LT is critical. I feel like we are lucky to have a chance at Simmons around 20. Moving up to that position won’t cost us too much. Can you imagine Mahomes with a great LT for the next decade?
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I don't think people understand the argument.

Of course Andy can get good results with Jackson. He did it with OBJ with much less to work with in terms of weapons. That's not the point. The question is whether it's worth the money, because even though McVay and company can make it work with Jackson, they aren't rushing to pay up for him either.

If we have to change the offense and constantly give him help, is it worth paying starting LT money?

Even if he's good enough to get us back to being a top 5 offense, the same people screaming to pay Jackson will be furious if he's a disappointment in terms of what we pay if keeps us from being the best offense in the NFL.

Hell we were the best offense in 2022 and people were still pissy with OBJ’s performance
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Hell we were the best offense in 2022 and people were still pissy with OBJ’s performance
Well, yeah, because he was objectively bad and has only gotten worse and worse as time goes on.
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Drafting Simmons would require signing Tyron Smith/similar veteran LT as a veteran stopgap.
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Drafting Simmons would require signing Tyron Smith/similar veteran LT as a veteran stopgap.
Yes, I’d sign a cheap vet like that and draft Simmons.
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