Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 106

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Starling, Zimmer and Ventura, to start. Probably also Jorge Bonifacio and Christian Colon.

I'd expect a reliever to be in the mix as well, and maybe Jason Adam.

I'd gladly make that deal yesterday.

Nightfyre · 03-20-2013, 03:50 PM

That would definitely be pushing all the chips in. I could dig it.

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 03:52 PM

All of those guys have huge question marks: Starling (lots of dev/time away from league, questions about approach), Zimmer (injuries), Ventura (size/durability), Colon (ability not to suck).

Walrus · 03-20-2013, 03:54 PM

What if the Marlins ask for a deal involving Mondesi for Stanton? Would you do it?

Nightfyre · 03-20-2013, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walrus

What if the Marlins ask for a deal involving Mondesi for Stanton? Would you do it?

Straight up? Hell yes.

duncan_idaho · 03-20-2013, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

All of those guys have huge question marks: Starling (lots of dev/time away from league, questions about approach), Zimmer (injuries), Ventura (size/durability), Colon (ability not to suck).

Zimmer doesn't have injury issues, unless I missed something. The cleanup last fall was routine and I haven't seen any comments of it still limiting him.

Agree on Starling and Ventura.

Colon is interesting to me... he's basically exactly the same player as Kolten Wong, yet Cardinals fans are pumped about Wong and we all view Colon as largely a bust. Just an oddity.

I'd still trade the lot for Stanton.

Walrus · 03-20-2013, 04:00 PM

Keith Law from ESPN said Mondesi could be our Profar. So i looked him up and saw he is the #1 prospect in baseball. They both switch hit and are 6'1 165. Mondesi is 2 years younger. The Marlins would want more than just Mondesi though.

WhawhaWhat · 03-20-2013, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Colon (ability not to suck).

What is so bad about Christian Colon?

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Zimmer doesn't have injury issues, unless I missed something. The cleanup last fall was routine and I haven't seen any comments of it still limiting him.

Agree on Starling and Ventura.

Colon is interesting to me... he's basically exactly the same player as Kolten Wong, yet Cardinals fans are pumped about Wong and we all view Colon as largely a bust. Just an oddity.

I'd still trade the lot for Stanton.

Not considering any elbow surgery as routine. Bone chips/spurs? Terrible sign, IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

What is so bad about Christian Colon?

What's so good about him? He projects as a utility infielder or a replacement-level starter.

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 07:57 PM

Don't believe the numbers? Cool. Trust your eyes. Look at this disgusting ****ing picture of a hitter who is loose as **** on his front side:

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/20...tats-hide.html

**DeezNutz** · 03-20-2013, 08:10 PM

And from the contents of the article: Who the **** has shit BPs for a week, much less a year? Take all of this "Frenchy is a leader" shit and shove it right up your ass, Dayton. The only way that a ML player has shit BPs is if he doesn't ****ing try.

That's one of the most embarrassing details about Frenchy that has surfaced during his miserable two years in KC.

Deberg_1990 · 03-20-2013, 08:16 PM

Dont piss down my back and tell me it's raining Frenchy.

Good grief, this guy has become the Matt Cassel of the Royals.

Nightfyre · 03-20-2013, 08:16 PM

Frenchy has got to go.

Al Bundy · 03-20-2013, 08:21 PM

We traded Myers so Dayton could keep this ****ing guy?

**lewdog** · 03-20-2013, 08:22 PM

I am going to heckle Frenchy this weekend and tell him David ****ing Lough is going to take his spot.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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