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Old 08-18-2013, 03:49 PM  
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PFF: Poor game from Fisher
Yup. Very poor game.

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I知 not in the business of making excuses for someone, but how bad is the hand of Eric Fisher (-4.5)? I ask because his performance was of such a level and he seemed to be favoring his hand so often, that the question had to be asked: are the Chiefs doing the right thing getting him game time as opposed to letting him heal?

He had to leave the field after Will Tukuafu got the better of him with 4:05 to go in the first and yet he would return to finish out the first half. That wasn稚 the only time he struggled as Ray McDonald was too powerful for him at the point of attack on the opening drive, having no problem working on his inside shoulder and getting off his blocking attempts.

In pass protection, Parys Haralson (hurry and sack), Corey Lemonier (hurry) and Ahmad Brooks (hurry with an assist from some hands to the face) all got past him, while he failed on two occasions to execute cut blocks on stretch runs.

More is expected of the first overall pick.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:28 AM   #271
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oh, I disagree. There are a couple of guys that could be Von esque...


Dion Jordan, Jarvis Jones, Barkevious Mingo.

The problem is, when you already have Tamba Hali, and Justin Houston, how do you justify taking that when you just told your stud offensive tackle to seek a trade?
Very true, but IMHO, Brandon Albert is far from being a stud which is why he was available in the first place and why the Fins would not offer a high pick this year - even after they let their stud LT walk.
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Very true, but IMHO, Brandon Albert is far from being a stud which is why he was available in the first place and why the Fins would not offer a high pick this year - even after they let their stud LT walk.
I didn't even notice this, but apparently someones bible when it comes to stats, rated him as the 25th best tackle.


but, I have heard he was God, and was supposedly rated in the top 5 of O TACKLES in the game. But yet, while alex smith played like SHIT, I saw him watch a corner come over him on a blitz, and he didn't pick him up at all, even though he had no one to block.

Again. Not defending Alex Smith. But there is no equal Librium here. You cant just say, yeah, the entire offense played like shit.

And it did. Every single olinemen got their ass handed to them repeatedly. Alex Smith threw bad passes, targets dropped passes, backs missed blitz pick ups, and essentially the entire Chiefs offense looked like ass. No. We have to say it was one guy, and blame one thing.....

Its stupid myopic logic. but yet, its the Pro Alex guys who get crushed. Because no one else can be blamed. Its really stupid stupid stupid logic.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:37 AM   #273
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oh, I disagree. There are a couple of guys that could be Von esque...


Dion Jordan, Jarvis Jones, Barkevious Mingo.

The problem is, when you already have Tamba Hali, and Justin Houston, how do you justify taking that when you just told your stud offensive tackle to seek a trade?
i would have taken the best CB or Safety at this point

we could have used Milliner

who cares if its taking a CB at 1
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i would have taken the best CB or Safety at this point

we could have used Milliner

who cares if its taking a CB at 1
I don't know about safety. Kenny Vacarro was considered the best safety, but yeah, Milliner could of been an option.
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I didn't even notice this, but apparently someones bible when it comes to stats, rated him as the 25th best tackle.


but, I have heard he was God, and was supposedly rated in the top 5 of O TACKLES in the game. But yet, while alex smith played like SHIT, I saw him watch a corner come over him on a blitz, and he didn't pick him up at all, even though he had no one to block.

Again. Not defending Alex Smith. But there is no equal Librium here. You cant just say, yeah, the entire offense played like shit.

And it did. Every single olinemen got their ass handed to them repeatedly. Alex Smith threw bad passes, targets dropped passes, backs missed blitz pick ups, and essentially the entire Chiefs offense looked like ass. No. We have to say it was one guy, and blame one thing.....

Its stupid myopic logic. but yet, its the Pro Alex guys who get crushed. Because no one else can be blamed. Its really stupid stupid stupid logic.
No there isn't.
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i would have taken the best CB or Safety at this point

we could have used Milliner

who cares if its taking a CB at 1
CB at 1.1 still makes more sense than RT at 1.1.
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CB at 1.1 still makes more sense than RT at 1.1.
I agree.
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Thought Fischer had a bad game, but I don't think it was as bad as PFF made it out to be. He was a meh first overall pick in an underwhelming draft. Part of being the chiefs organization is getting the first overall pick the year after draft with quarterbacks like Andrew Luck and RGIII. I'll save my judgement for a little while.
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CB at 1.1 still makes more sense than RT at 1.1.
Not if you are trying to trade your LT.
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Not if you are trying to trade your LT.
Tackle at #1 makes no sense. Period.

Unless you are a team with literally no holes anywhere and are in no way needing a playmaker then I guess go ahead and throw the #1 pick away on a tackle, but, of course, if you are a team with no holes and in no way of needing a playmaker you aren't picking #1.
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Tackle at #1 makes no sense. Period.

Unless you are a team with literally no holes anywhere and are in no way needing a playmaker then I guess go ahead and throw the #1 pick away on a tackle, but, of course, if you are a team with no holes and in no way of needing a playmaker you aren't picking #1.
You are going to verbally assault me either way, so it is what it is. But, 3 of the first four picks in the draft, were offensive tackles. It clearly was the thought process of a lot of teams in the draft. Not only that, but with a Guard going at 7, and 10, and another tackle at 12, you are looking at 7 of the first 12 picks being linemen. It was a linemen heavy draft, with the other positions being pass rushers which the chiefs didn't see as a need.

Its not ideally the pick you want. Of course the Chiefs would rather of had a true qb worth taking at one. They just didn't see it.

They were ****ed. No one wanted to trade up.....It sucked ass.
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Ahhhh. The current cesspool of the NFL decided to all be idiots and take tackles atop the draft. And you wonder why they are who they are.

**** the playmakers! I want to have one of the best tackles in the game like the Browns!
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Ahhhh. Their current cesspool of the NFL decided to all be idiots and take tackles atop the draft. And you wonder why they are who they are.

**** the playmakers! I want to have one of the best tackles in the game like the Browns!
lol, well yah.

Why do you got to bring my browns and their senior citizen qb into this man.

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Ahhhh. The current cesspool of the NFL decided to all be idiots and take tackles atop the draft. And you wonder why they are who they are.

**** the playmakers! I want to have one of the best tackles in the game like the Browns!
Can't wait for that Chiefs/Jags AFC Championship here in a couple of years.

Let's just give both the lines time to gel and it's ****ing on!!
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You are going to verbally assault me either way, so it is what it is. But, 3 of the first four picks in the draft, were offensive tackles.
And it wouldn't be shocking in the slightest if all three of those teams miss the playoffs again. Any non-playmaker is a waste of a top-5 pick, period. Even if Fisher or Joeckel turns out to be the second coming of Orlando freaking Pace, I'd still rather pick a playmaker.
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