Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 344

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

SPchief · 05-30-2013, 04:02 PM

"Alot of times home runs kill rallys" Yes he just said that

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

"This is the last move we're making."

fuuuuuucccckkkkk

".....before I get my miserable ass fired"

Demonpenz · 05-30-2013, 04:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f_KewLhVi0

Jim Leyland on "Leaders"

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:03 PM

Brett just called out all the players...

Get rid of the bottles......

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief

"Alot of times home runs kill rallys" Yes he just said that

**DeezNutz** · 05-30-2013, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief

"Alot of times home runs kill rallys" Yes he just said that

What do you want me to do? Spank it? /Brett

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 04:06 PM

I doubt that GB is going to get these guys to technically hit any better, but I guarantee he will get their attention with his direct nature - he'll call these guys out when necessary.

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:06 PM

Brett may not be a good hitting coach but if just sends the message that Yost can't seem too then it pays off.

**gblowfish** · 05-30-2013, 04:08 PM

That's not what he meant. He meant that if one guy comes up and homers, sometimes it can kill an even bigger rally because everybody behind him starts swinging from their heels for the fences. The important thing he said was "do what you are capable of doing. If you single, the guy behind you will double." The surest way to not hit a homer is to try to hit a homer. He just wants everybody to be selective, drive the ball, and relax. There's a lot of common sense wisdom in that.

**DeezNutz** · 05-30-2013, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

That's not what he meant. He meant that if one guy comes up and homers, sometimes it can kill an even bigger rally because everybody behind him starts swinging from their heels for the fences. The important thing he said was "do what you are capable of doing. If you single, the guy behind you will double." The surest way to not hit a homer is to try to hit a homer. He just wants everybody to be selective, drive the ball, and relax. There's a lot of common sense wisdom in that.

Homers can kill rallies is what someone says when he cannot say that the lineup is ****ing short on talent.

**petegz28** · 05-30-2013, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

That's not what he meant. He meant that if one guy comes up and homers, sometimes it can kill an even bigger rally because everybody behind him starts swinging from their heels for the fences. The important thing he said was "do what you are capable of doing. If you single, the guy behind you will double." The surest way to not hit a homer is to try to hit a homer. He just wants everybody to be selective, drive the ball, and relax. There's a lot of common sense wisdom in that.

He can see what I have been saying the last couple weeks...these guys are swinging for the fences too much.

As he said it .."quit trying to hit a 3-run homerun when there is nobody on"

Prison Bitch · 05-30-2013, 04:10 PM

I believe it was Muser who said sometimes a double can rattle a pitcher more because the pitcher had to now worry about the runner. I can't be sure since there have been so many laughably absurd statements from this org

Demonpenz · 05-30-2013, 04:10 PM

homeruns are how you complete a rally. Of course it is over after it is completed.

BlackHelicopters · 05-30-2013, 04:11 PM

Rain in StL?

Chris Meck · 05-30-2013, 04:11 PM

Brett's talking about the idea of the home run, meaning that if one guy hits one, then the next guy starts thinking long ball and that's not really a good approach. See: Jeff Francouer.

I disagree that Brett may not have a lot to offer technically; as a Charley Lau disciple, he had a very, very efficient swing and general approach. He'll pass that concept on, I would think. I remember him saying once that if he hit a homer, it was on accident. His approach was to hit the ball hard wherever it was pitched.

I think it's a good idea, and he might be just the guy to get these guys (Hosmer, Moose) to take a better approach to their swings and at-bats in general.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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05-30-2013, 04:10 PM	#5158
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05-30-2013, 04:11 PM	#5160
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1135090	Brett's talking about the idea of the home run, meaning that if one guy hits one, then the next guy starts thinking long ball and that's not really a good approach. See: Jeff Francouer. I disagree that Brett may not have a lot to offer technically; as a Charley Lau disciple, he had a very, very efficient swing and general approach. He'll pass that concept on, I would think. I remember him saying once that if he hit a homer, it was on accident. His approach was to hit the ball hard wherever it was pitched. I think it's a good idea, and he might be just the guy to get these guys (Hosmer, Moose) to take a better approach to their swings and at-bats in general.
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