2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

[duncan_idaho]

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

[tk13]

This may be the worst sports related discussion in ChiefsPlanet history. We're legitimately arguing that Cleveland is a sports city that only tolerates winners. They've never been to a Super Bowl, couldn't win a title with the best basketball player of his generation, have a list of choke jobs that no other city could match. The drive, the fumble, the shot. All happened to Cleveland. They didn't even need descriptions, they were so bad they just got one-word names.

The Indians have not won a title since 1948. Cleveland baseball has 10 playoff appearances in 114 years.

This is beyond stupid.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by tk13

This may be the worst sports related discussion in ChiefsPlanet history. We're legitimately arguing that Cleveland is a sports city that only tolerates winners.

This is beyond stupid.

We weren't arguing that, and you're the one who's beyond stupid to not properly read what's actually being argued here.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

We weren't arguing that, and you're the one who's beyond stupid to not properly read what's actually being argued here.

That's fine. You aren't interested in legitimately discussing things, you just want to troll. And that's fine. The Royals almost have as many playoff appearances as the Indians in about 70 less seasons of play. But even that aside, 10 playoff appearances in 114 seasons of baseball is not a winning culture. You have nothing to back up your argument and aren't interested in having an actual discussion. So there's no point.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I think half the problem is half this team buys into the marketing hype. Hosmer, Moose and French actually believe that not only are they "big leaguers" but that are great ones at that.

I seriously doubt that.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's fine. You aren't interested in legitimately discussing things, you just want to troll. And that's fine. The Royals almost have as many playoff appearances as the Indians in about 70 less seasons of play. But even that aside, 10 playoff appearances in 114 seasons of baseball is not a winning culture. You have nothing to back up your argument and aren't interested in having an actual discussion. So there's no point.

I don't think bringing up events of 50 years ago helps the discussion either. Nobody cares about that far back so why bring it up? Nobody cares about the Royals teams of the 1970s either. We're talking recent history and it's fair to ask why Cleveland's management puts out competitive teams while we can't.

Why isn't that fair to ask? If it's trolling to criticize a teams' management staff then ChiefsPlanet had 8,000 trolls this entire past Chiefs season. Flying banners to fire a GM must be serious trolling!

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I don't think bringing up events of 50 years ago helps the discussion either. Nobody cares about that far back so why bring it up? Nobody cares about the Royals teams of the 1970s either. We're talking recent history and it's fair to ask why Cleveland's management puts out competitive teams while we can't.

Why isn't that fair to ask? If it's trolling to criticize a teams' management staff then ChiefsPlanet had 8,000 trolls this entire past Chiefs season. Flying banners to fire a GM must be serious trolling!

Alright then, fair enough. Keep moving the goalposts. If that's the argument you'd like to make, let's just look at their recent history.

Cleveland has made the playoffs once in the last 11 seasons. They've had a winning record twice in that period. They've lost 90+ games 3 of the last 4 seasons. Not that impressive.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by tk13

Alright then, fair enough. Keep moving the goalposts. If that's the argument you'd like to make, let's just look at their recent history.

Cleveland has made the playoffs once in the last 11 seasons. They've had a winning record twice in that period. They've lost 90+ games 3 of the last 4 seasons. Not that impressive.

damn

I thought they constantly rebuilt their team year after year and didn't embrace losing?

hm

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Are you even following the conversation, Doofus? We're talking about a fellow small market club in our division who continually out-does us and who is able to put out damn competitive teams on a semi-regular basis. Some of which crack 90 wins.



Bashing them only makes you look dumber than you already are.

If you aren't winning championships, who gives a shit?

Are you really arguing who sucks less?

Sure, the Indians have fielded some competitive teams, but they have nothing to show for it.

[Prison Bitch]

TK: I never said they were the Yankees, only that their management doesn't struggle like ours has. In the 11 years you reference, they have seasons of 96, 93, 81, 80, 80, and 78 wins. I don't think we've beaten that level even once have we? It's pathetic and we both know it.


Don't forget they are leading the division this year too. How will it turn out? I don't know. But I want to keep asking why their management can do it but ours cannot. And I blame DM for his weird loyalty fetish.

[Hootie]

I don't agree with the championships thing...

I'm sure it was AMAZINGLY fun to be a Braves fan when they won their division every year for a million years in a row.

Championships are the cherry on top...but Tom Brady hasn't won one in nearly a decade and I'm sure it's still really fun to be a Patriots fan...you know, knowing you have a championship caliber team year in and year out.

[Hootie]

Cleveland:

"They don't tolerate losing. They just settle for almost mediocre."

Got it.

[Bambi]

Well at least we made it to May this year!

[Prison Bitch]

Hahah, Hootie if the Royals had the past 10 years Cleveland did you'd be jacking off to lifesize Fatheads of Dayton Moore hanging on your bedroom wall.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Hahah, Hootie if the Royals had the past 10 years Cleveland did you'd be jacking off to lifesize Fatheads of Dayton Moore hanging on your bedroom wall.

take it easy guy

clearly Cleveland has had better baseball teams than our terrible franchise the past decade

but no one is arguing that

we're just pointing and laughing at you for saying

"Cleveland doesn't tolerate losing."

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[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

TK: I never said they were the Yankees, only that their management doesn't struggle like ours has. In the 11 years you reference, they have seasons of 96, 93, 81, 80, 80, and 78 wins. I don't think we've beaten that level even once have we? It's pathetic and we both know it.


Don't forget they are leading the division this year too. How will it turn out? I don't know. But I want to keep asking why their management can do it but ours cannot. And I blame DM for his weird loyalty fetish.

THEY DON'T TOLERATE LOSING