Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 49

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**Reaper16** · 02-04-2013, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3

That is very interesting.

Oh geez. I clicked "first unread" and it was The Miz' theme song and I guess I thought I had clicked into the wrasslin thread.

I won't delete the post. My shame is public.

kc rush · 02-04-2013, 12:29 PM

Come to Play -

Lets talk about the stadium....again.

Blah

Ceej · 02-04-2013, 01:02 PM

Royals baseball - Where our chances of winning the pennant is about as real as professional wrestling.

**DeezNutz** · 02-04-2013, 01:04 PM

Royals Baseball 2013: We play in come.

jbwm89 · 02-04-2013, 01:09 PM

All i want out of this years slogan is that it doesn't put extra pressure on our young guys to perform like last years. I'm okay with it.

**gblowfish** · 02-04-2013, 01:13 PM

Slogans? You want Slogans?

How Bout:

"We OWN I-49!"

"OMAHA! OMAHA!!!!"

"IRRELEVANT BY MOTHER'S DAY!"

"JUST THREE MORE YEARS!"

"WE HAD THE ALL STAR GAME!"

"SHINY OBJECTS!"

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-04-2013, 01:16 PM

Does this mean if I go to a game I better "come to play" too? Because that would be awesome! My playing days are far behind me but I bet I can flail wildly at 3 pitches as well as Frenchy! Heh.

I actually fine with the slogan. It's generic but after last years debacle that's understandable.

**DeezNutz** · 02-04-2013, 01:17 PM

Yeah, we need to be careful. Nothing ruins a season more than expectations of results.

What the **** is wrong with some of you? These sacks of shit need to be held to a standard. No excuses.

jbwm89 · 02-04-2013, 01:23 PM

There is nothing to gain by having a slogan like "Our Time". I'm not saying the Royals sucked because of it, but if there is any chance it effected the team negatively why even bother.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-04-2013, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yeah, we need to be careful. Nothing ruins a season more than expectations of results.

What the **** is wrong with some of you? These sacks of shit need to be held to a standard. No excuses.

It is a standard. They know they're suppossed to come to play now.

Besides it's just a merketing slogan.

-King- · 02-04-2013, 01:25 PM

Royals: Sometime.

**DeezNutz** · 02-04-2013, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwm89

There is nothing to gain by having a slogan like "Our Time". I'm not saying the Royals sucked because of it, but if there is any chance it effected the team negatively why even bother.

I think there's too much of a comfort level at the K. There have been zero on-field expectations for well over two decades, with no consequences for suck.

So I'm OK with anything that introduces a healthy amount of pressure on all involved in the organization.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-04-2013, 01:30 PM

I think we need theme songs again. Remember this from the good ol days?

catch Royal mania with the Kansas City Royaaallllss
catch all the action, catch everything
the Kansas City Royals are doing it again
Go Royals Go! (dud ump dud da dum) Go Royals Go!
you can bring it on hooooooome
catch Royal maniaaaa
there's (some words I can remember) and you can catch it too
the Kansas City Royaaaalllllsss... (duh da da dut!)

duncan_idaho · 02-04-2013, 01:57 PM

So... I'm bored and procrastinating before a conference call. Which means... it's time for best case/worst case projections courtesy of yours truly.

Note: I'm not going to project things like Ws or Ss or Ls for a pitcher, or RBIs/Rs for a hitter. Too much chance/variance. Best-case listed on line 1. Worst-case on line 2.

SP1 - James Shields: 3.45 ERA/1.20 WHIP/8.5 K/9/220 IP/
4.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/8.5 K/9/220 IP
SP2 - Jeremy Guthrie: 3.90 ERA/1.22 WHIP/6.0 K/9/205 IP
5.00 ERA/1.35 WHIP/5 K/9/175 IP/
SP3 - Ervin Santana: 3.50 ERA/1.25 WHIP/7.2 K/9/200 IP
5.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/ 6 K/9/165 IP
SP 4 - Wade Davis: 3.50 ERA/1.20 WHIP/8.0 K/9/200 IP
4.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/6 K/9/175 IP/
SP5 - Luke Ho... FOR SOME REASON MY KEYBOARD STOPPED WORKING

LF - Alex Gordon: .320/.390 OBP/.515 SLG/25 HR/45 2B/15 SB
.275/.335/.425 SLG/15 HR/45 2B/10 SB

SS - Alcides Escobar: .300/.340 OBP/.425 SLG/8 HR/40 2B/40 SB
.265/.300 OBP/.375 SLG/5 HR/30 2B/25 SB

1B - Eric Hosmer: .300/.350/.525 SLG/35 HR/35 2B/15 SB
.250/.300/.425/15 HR/30 2B/5 SB

DH - Billy Butler: .330/.390 OBP/.525 SLG/35 HR/45 2B/0 SB
.300/.360/.475 SLG/15 HR/45 2B/0 SB

3B - Mike Moustakas: 280/.320/.475 SLG/30 HR/40 2B/5 SB
.250/.280/.425/20 HR/30 2B/0 SB

C - Sal Perez: .320/.350 OBP/.500 SLG/25 HR/35 2B/2 SB
.260/.290/.425/15 HR/30 2B

CF - Lorenzo Cain: .290/.330 OBP/.450 SLG/20 HR/35 2B/25 SB
.260/.300 OBP/.400 SLG/15 HR/25 2B/15 SB

RF - JefF Francoeur: .280/.310 OBP/.450 SLG/25 HR/40 2B/15 SB
THE WORST EVER ... AGAIN

2B - Chris Getz: .275/.325 OBP/.350 SLG/1 HR/30 2B/30 SB
.250/.280 OBP/.325 SLG/0 HR/25 2B/10 SB

Overall, I think the offense performs better and the pitching performs better. They max out around 85 wins unless something really astonishing happens. Good enough to get them into wild card contention but not enough to make it.

This really should have been a team that was 3-6 wins better than its record in 2012. I'm figuring that in as well as 6-8 wins from young players progressing/getting better and better starting pitching.

If the Royals luck swings 3-6 wins in the positive direction in 2013 (which is much less luck than, say, Baltimore had in 2012), they could sneak into a playoff spot/wildcard spot.

CoMoChief · 02-04-2013, 02:02 PM

I know there's some talent in the middle of the lineup....but the Royals haven't had a 30HR hitter since Jermaine Dye.....that's ****ing sad.....but now we're going to possibly have 3 of them, and 2 others w/ at least 25?

ok

....Our Time

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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02-04-2013, 12:29 PM	#722
kc rush Blah Blah Blah Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In front of the computer. Casino cash: $2069559	Come to Play - Lets talk about the stadium....again. Blah
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02-04-2013, 01:02 PM	#723
Ceej BOOM!1! Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $6755541	Royals baseball - Where our chances of winning the pennant is about as real as professional wrestling.
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02-04-2013, 01:09 PM	#725
jbwm89 MIZZOU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Saint Joseph Casino cash: $10005040	All i want out of this years slogan is that it doesn't put extra pressure on our young guys to perform like last years. I'm okay with it. __________________ "You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
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02-04-2013, 01:13 PM	#726
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16896178 VARSITY	Slogans? You want Slogans? How Bout: "We OWN I-49!" "OMAHA! OMAHA!!!!" "IRRELEVANT BY MOTHER'S DAY!" "JUST THREE MORE YEARS!" "WE HAD THE ALL STAR GAME!" "SHINY OBJECTS!"
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02-04-2013, 01:16 PM	#727
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Does this mean if I go to a game I better "come to play" too? Because that would be awesome! My playing days are far behind me but I bet I can flail wildly at 3 pitches as well as Frenchy! Heh. I actually fine with the slogan. It's generic but after last years debacle that's understandable. __________________ courtesy of BoneKrusher "Baseball? It's just a game. As simple as a ball and bat, yet as complex as the American spirit it symbolizes. It's a sport, a business and sometimes a religion." Ernie Harwell
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02-04-2013, 01:23 PM	#729
jbwm89 MIZZOU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Saint Joseph Casino cash: $10005040	There is nothing to gain by having a slogan like "Our Time". I'm not saying the Royals sucked because of it, but if there is any chance it effected the team negatively why even bother. __________________ "You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
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02-04-2013, 01:25 PM	#731
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $-1184257	Royals: Sometime. __________________ 🏁
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02-04-2013, 01:30 PM	#733
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	I think we need theme songs again. Remember this from the good ol days? catch Royal mania with the Kansas City Royaaallllss catch all the action, catch everything the Kansas City Royals are doing it again Go Royals Go! (dud ump dud da dum) Go Royals Go! you can bring it on hooooooome catch Royal maniaaaa there's (some words I can remember) and you can catch it too the Kansas City Royaaaalllllsss... (duh da da dut!) __________________ courtesy of BoneKrusher "Baseball? It's just a game. As simple as a ball and bat, yet as complex as the American spirit it symbolizes. It's a sport, a business and sometimes a religion." Ernie Harwell
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02-04-2013, 01:57 PM	#734
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	So... I'm bored and procrastinating before a conference call. Which means... it's time for best case/worst case projections courtesy of yours truly. Note: I'm not going to project things like Ws or Ss or Ls for a pitcher, or RBIs/Rs for a hitter. Too much chance/variance. Best-case listed on line 1. Worst-case on line 2. SP1 - James Shields: 3.45 ERA/1.20 WHIP/8.5 K/9/220 IP/ 4.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/8.5 K/9/220 IP SP2 - Jeremy Guthrie: 3.90 ERA/1.22 WHIP/6.0 K/9/205 IP 5.00 ERA/1.35 WHIP/5 K/9/175 IP/ SP3 - Ervin Santana: 3.50 ERA/1.25 WHIP/7.2 K/9/200 IP 5.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/ 6 K/9/165 IP SP 4 - Wade Davis: 3.50 ERA/1.20 WHIP/8.0 K/9/200 IP 4.50 ERA/1.30 WHIP/6 K/9/175 IP/ SP5 - Luke Ho... FOR SOME REASON MY KEYBOARD STOPPED WORKING LF - Alex Gordon: .320/.390 OBP/.515 SLG/25 HR/45 2B/15 SB .275/.335/.425 SLG/15 HR/45 2B/10 SB SS - Alcides Escobar: .300/.340 OBP/.425 SLG/8 HR/40 2B/40 SB .265/.300 OBP/.375 SLG/5 HR/30 2B/25 SB 1B - Eric Hosmer: .300/.350/.525 SLG/35 HR/35 2B/15 SB .250/.300/.425/15 HR/30 2B/5 SB DH - Billy Butler: .330/.390 OBP/.525 SLG/35 HR/45 2B/0 SB .300/.360/.475 SLG/15 HR/45 2B/0 SB 3B - Mike Moustakas: 280/.320/.475 SLG/30 HR/40 2B/5 SB .250/.280/.425/20 HR/30 2B/0 SB C - Sal Perez: .320/.350 OBP/.500 SLG/25 HR/35 2B/2 SB .260/.290/.425/15 HR/30 2B CF - Lorenzo Cain: .290/.330 OBP/.450 SLG/20 HR/35 2B/25 SB .260/.300 OBP/.400 SLG/15 HR/25 2B/15 SB RF - JefF Francoeur: .280/.310 OBP/.450 SLG/25 HR/40 2B/15 SB THE WORST EVER ... AGAIN 2B - Chris Getz: .275/.325 OBP/.350 SLG/1 HR/30 2B/30 SB .250/.280 OBP/.325 SLG/0 HR/25 2B/10 SB Overall, I think the offense performs better and the pitching performs better. They max out around 85 wins unless something really astonishing happens. Good enough to get them into wild card contention but not enough to make it. This really should have been a team that was 3-6 wins better than its record in 2012. I'm figuring that in as well as 6-8 wins from young players progressing/getting better and better starting pitching. If the Royals luck swings 3-6 wins in the positive direction in 2013 (which is much less luck than, say, Baltimore had in 2012), they could sneak into a playoff spot/wildcard spot. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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02-04-2013, 02:02 PM	#735
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7712254	I know there's some talent in the middle of the lineup....but the Royals haven't had a 30HR hitter since Jermaine Dye.....that's ****ing sad.....but now we're going to possibly have 3 of them, and 2 others w/ at least 25? ok ....Our Time __________________
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