Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 21

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 12-13-2012, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I like to think this just means that James Shields has learned some things over the course of his career that bode well for his future.

Basically, yes. Learning something/adjusting/change in approach all mean the same thing.

He went from being primarily a 4-seam, two-seam fastball guy who mixed in changeups to being a guy who throws his 4-seam fastball and changeup at nearly identical rates, and uses his breaking pitches much more than previously.

jbwm89 · 12-13-2012, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Basically, yes. Learning something/adjusting/change in approach all mean the same thing.

He went from being primarily a 4-seam, two-seam fastball guy who mixed in changeups to being a guy who throws his 4-seam fastball and changeup at nearly identical rates, and uses his breaking pitches much more than previously.

Exactly, he changed his approach. Sometimes pitchers have terrible statistics their first few seasons before figuring it out, that is still weighted in the career ERA. I don't think there is a more useless stat than career era if it isn't weighted towards what the pitcher has done recently.

Greinke: 3.77 Career ERA
Shields: 3.89 Career ERA
Dickey: 3.98 Career ERA

**RockChalk** · 12-13-2012, 03:42 PM

If Rany was the baseball savant he carries himself to be, he'd be in an MLB Front Office right now. Not treating people's skin.

Don't get me wrong...I'm sure he's a great Dermatologist, but given his obsession with baseball, you know he'd kill to be working in the bigs. If MLB people respected his opinions, he would have been offered a position at some point along the way.

**alnorth** · 12-13-2012, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk

If Rany was the baseball savant he carries himself to be, he'd be in an MLB Front Office right now. Not treating people's skin.

Don't get me wrong...I'm sure he's a great Dermatologist, but given his obsession with baseball, you know he'd kill to be working in the bigs. If MLB people respected his opinions, he would have been offered a position at some point along the way.

His day job pays a hell of a lot more than some faceless analyst role. His opinions would become proprietary trade secret, he'd have to go dark and offer his insights and opinions to the public a lot less. With his blog, he's a lot more high-profile and well-known than he would be working for anyone.

jbwm89 · 12-13-2012, 03:46 PM

I don't have any problems with Rany, guy just gives his honest opinion and its an educated one. He is just another blogger though, people treat his blogs like the baseball bible. Just because the team and Rany don't agree doesn't mean we are screwed.

**DeezNutz** · 12-13-2012, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwm89

I don't have any problems with Rany, guy just gives his honest opinion and its an educated one. He is just another blogger though, people treat his blogs like the baseball bible. Just because the team and Rany don't agree doesn't mean we are screwed.

Not accurate.

jbwm89 · 12-13-2012, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Not accurate.

I meant he isn't a club official or something, he obviously has more background than a lot of bloggers. Doesn't change the fact that he writes a baseball blog about his opinions, and he isn't infallible. We shouldn't beat him up when he is wrong or freak out when the team and him don't agree on something.

Cephalic Trauma · 12-13-2012, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

His day job pays a hell of a lot more than some faceless analyst role. His opinions would become proprietary trade secret, he'd have to go dark and offer his insights and opinions to the public a lot less. With his blog, he's a lot more high-profile and well-known than he would be working for anyone.

This. Derm in a big city like Chicago is second only to plastics in LA in terms of desirability in his profession.

He can see tons of patients, prescribe expensive medications (or inexpensive, doesn't matter because of sheer volume), perform expensive procedures, etc etc and not have to spend too much time with pts.

Derm is $$$$. That's why it's extremely hard to get into.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-13-2012, 04:43 PM

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Cubs in serious discussions with Anibal Sanchez. Deal could be 5 years/$75 million. #Tigers still a threat.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale
Breaking: The Chicago #Cubs have just signed Anibal Sanchez.

**Shogun** · 12-13-2012, 04:44 PM

Glad hes out of the division

**DeezNutz** · 12-13-2012, 04:44 PM

5 for 90 would have done it for the Royals. No chance he turns down that kind of coin.

mr. tegu · 12-13-2012, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Cubs in serious discussions with Anibal Sanchez. Deal could be 5 years/$75 million. #Tigers still a threat.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale
Breaking: The Chicago #Cubs have just signed Anibal Sanchez.

Suck it Tigers!

**Shogun** · 12-13-2012, 04:53 PM

And the rangers window.............back................GONE

O.city · 12-13-2012, 04:55 PM

The Hamilton deal made me think of something. When Trouts deal comes up, are they going to be able to resign him?

Maybe thats who Glass plans on putting in RF in a year or two?

**Shogun** · 12-13-2012, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

The Hamilton deal made me think of something. When Trouts deal comes up, are they going to be able to resign him?

Maybe thats who Glass plans on putting in RF in a year or two?

This is the Royals were talking about. Far more likely to deal Pujols/Hamilton than Trout if he can keep getting better imho.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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