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Old 08-04-2012, 07:44 PM  
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As deserving as Curtis Martin is, it's hard to watch him being inducted and not think how @Terrell_Davis should one day join him. Truth.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:19 PM   #61
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montana benefited from a great scheme and terrific talent surrounding him...

Aikman had emmit and emmitt had aikman...

Brady has BB and BB has Brady...
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I noticed you're trying to compare QBs to RBs. You can't really do that.

A QB can win without a good OL, without a good running game, even without a defense.

A RB is probably not going to do very well behind a shit OL.

Conversely, if he's playing behind a beastly line and with a QB who makes defenses respect the deep pass, he's going to look pretty ****ing good even if he's only an above average player.

TD was better than that, but he was not a HOFer. If he had played 10 years, he probably would have been a compiler like Curtis Martin and gotten in. He didn't, **** you, end of story.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:21 PM   #62
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TD was a sure fire Hall of Famer if he would have played longer, but he didnt. Thats the only thing holding him back and rightfully so.


I wont diss on TD, because he was truly great IMO for that short period.
I'm not ready to annoint him as "truly great". The fact that Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson, who both looked every bit as good as TD did in that scheme when he was out, went on to other teams to accomplish exactly dick, and look pretty pedestrian doing it, gives me pause. Should it? Maybe not, but I can't get around it.

In the interest of fairness, you can say the same about Derrick Blaylock. He looked like Priest Jr. playing in our scheme, and completely disappeared when he went to the Jets.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:21 PM   #63
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No one ran through more running lanes that were the size of a mid town bus than TD. I remember so many runs that were slants and sweeps where no one touched him for 15 yards. No real way on knowing, but I do believe there were and are several RBs that could have done what TD did for that team.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:21 PM   #64
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Why is Gayle Sayers in? Because he was great. So was Terrell Davis.
He was the first "shake and bake" type of back that no one had seen this type of running in the NFL before. To Milk's point it was the Joe Namath effect on the league but not as big as Joe but significant enough.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:24 PM   #65
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True. But after the fact, name me one player that benefitted more from his scheme than Terrell Davis did. A scheme, mind you, that is no longer employed as it was when Denver used it.

He was no scrub, but the guy just isn't a HoF'er, at least not yet. He didn't have the longevity or the numbers. Give it twenty or thirty years, maybe he'll get in on one of those old timer ballots.
you can make that argument for anybody...

Joe Montana "benefited" playing in a scheme devised by Bill Walsh that took a decade for defensive coordinators to figure out...

Emmit smith "benefited" playing behind the greatest oline of all time...

i can make arguments for any great all time super bowl winning player...

but those arguments are meaningless... i take what montana and emmitt did at face value... its unfair to look at it otherwise imo...
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lol...yeah ok...

yeah, THEY are stupid...
Adrian Peterson
Maurice Jones Drew
Arian Foster
Steven Jackson
Chris Johnson
Fred Jackson
DeAngelo Williams
Jamaal Charles

Those guys all have similar or better talent levels than Terrell Davis. You put them in that Donkey offense, they are going to rack up sick numbers.

Adrian Peterson is a better RB than TD ever was for sure.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:25 PM   #67
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Emmit smith "benefited" playing behind the greatest oline of all time...
He sure did.

He's in the HOF because he was a compiler.

TD had a chance to do that, and "blew" it.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:25 PM   #68
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jamaal charles would have broke records in that offense. look what JC has done behind our shit line hte past two years. yeah we have albert and had wigeman but that is it. i cant WAIT to see what hes gonna do this year. its gonna be sick.
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name me a QB that has ever won a SB this way...
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While we're listing great bronco players who arent in the Hall, I submit:

Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey and Jason Elam...the Hall is clearly a travesty until these deserving players are in.
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I'm not ready to annoint him as "truly great". The fact that Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson, who both looked every bit as good as TD did in that scheme when he was out, went on to other teams to accomplish exactly dick, and look pretty pedestrian doing it, gives me pause. Should it? Maybe not, but I can't get around it.

In the interest of fairness, you can say the same about Derrick Blaylock. He looked like Priest Jr. playing in our scheme, and completely disappeared when he went to the Jets.
also in fairness steve young sucked in tampa, then becomes a HOFer replacing Montana in SF's scheme... the same scheme that made Jeff Garcia look like a pro bowler...

and Gary and Anderson did well but they didnt come close to TDs production... both backs played full seasons in those schemes and didnt sniff 2000yds in a season...
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Maybe Shanahan can get a mad scientist to make a frankenback out of Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns and Clinton Portis and get them elected to the HOF. That's 11 years of elite RB play there.
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yeah well he also played 5 more years then joe montana. testaverde played till he couldnt fukn walk anymore. there are 4 people in the HISTORY of the game to have 14,000+ rushing yards . he deserves the induction . bottom line end o' story.
So Martin gets credit for longevity, durability and consistency, but Testeverde does not?

That about sum it up, dipshit?
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name me a QB that has ever won a SB this way...
Aaron Rodgers.
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you can make that argument for anybody...

Joe Montana "benefited" playing in a scheme devised by Bill Walsh that took a decade for defensive coordinators to figure out...

Emmit smith "benefited" playing behind the greatest oline of all time...

i can make arguments for any great all time super bowl winning player...

but those arguments are meaningless... i take what montana and emmitt did at face value... its unfair to look at it otherwise imo...
Montana could still thread the needle and make the amazing throws. Brian Griese played in (basically) the same offense and wasn't anywhere near what Joe could do. Emmitt Smiff absolutely got in the hall due to his line (and playing with a seperated shoulder), but his is a glamour position, and he put up the numbers.

Davis was assisted by a line that cut blocked everyone out of his way. I'm thinking you could have even put up 7-800 yards rushing behind the Crisco Brothers.

And on top of that, he just didn't have the longevity.
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