Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route

[Direckshun]

I know it's not a late night yet but whatever.

I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results.

Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy.

He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body.

Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry.

I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect.

Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come.

So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route.

Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action:

2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter.

2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush.

Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high.

Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs).

2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013.

Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick?
Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside.
Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose.

Ladies and gentleman:

QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition.

Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts.

Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry.

I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea.

Let me shower in your praise.

I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined.

OHHH OHHH

I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi..........





















......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by scott free

I knew Weeden was an older guy... but only ONE year younger than Cassel, coming into his rookie season?

Brockers might be a potentially stellar end, but that still leaves just unproven Powe as my prototype plug... i WANT that type of Wilfork, Hampton, Washington guy in this defense & will hear no other arguments about it.

Bring Kelly Gregg back for a year.

You can land your stud nose next year.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Because I fear (a.) they might not all come out, and (b.) there could be a fire sale on those guys, and we'll be stuck with our dicks in our hands because we're drafting at #23 and lack sufficient ammo to compete.

Agreed and with the group possibly coming out next year, it could be crazy. Although, it would surprise me to see Bray and Murray stay back to try and secure a #1 status like Barkley. Again, that is why that I would trade back, thus securing sufficient ammo, and prepare for taking one next year with a higher ceiling/longer career. Additionally, if unable to get Bowe signed long-term, we could offer him as trade bait if we would have to trade up into the top 5-10 hypothetically. Granted, not every team there will need a receiver. The more chips you can offer though, the better.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Just silly. We were in sub packages 60% of the time, usually a 2-4-5 look. Why would you burn a 1st round pick on someone who would probably play 1 down for us?

Even if just on first downs, goal lines, third & shorts... stymie a teams run game & you will rarely be embarrassed in any contest, win or lose.

Control the heart of the line of scrimmage, silly my ass.

[BossChief]

Taking Brockers at 11 and then spending two seconds and a third to move up for a 30 year old rookie would be WAYYYY past full reerun.

Sorry

I wouldn't even draft Weeden unless he falls to the 4th round.

Take Blackmon off his team and the guy struggles to get drafted.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

How did the Stanford game end?

For those who didn't see it. Stanford's D played like dog shit, Balckmon was Blackmon, OSU D played lights out, and Weeden didn't make one throw worth highlighting to win the game.

It's pretty much all right here, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I like your takes D, but Without Blackmon, and that D, Weeden beats NONE of the QBs you mentioned.

[O.city]

Even in sub package stuff you gotta have some meat on the field. We could have Jackson and Brockers up there in those situations to stop the run.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Even in sub package stuff you gotta have some meat on the field. We could have Jackson and Brockers up there in those situations to stop the run.

Is Brockers even better than Bailey?

If he is, it's not by much.

[Simply Red]

so how much of a badass is Winston? I really know nothing about him. He sounds like Andre the Giant when he speaks, so I guess that's a pretty good sign.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Because I fear (a.) they might not all come out, and (b.) there could be a fire sale on those guys, and we'll be stuck with our dicks in our hands because we're drafting at #23 and lack sufficient ammo to compete.

The Redskins pretty much sold the farm to acquire RGIII. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't do the same next year since the talent we could surround our young QB with is far superior to anything the Redskins have.

Trade down, stock up on guards, ILBs, 5-techs, TEs, FBs, and all other thankless fat positions this year. Go into next draft with more ammo and throw everything you've got at a team in an advantageous position.

The Chiefs aren't lucky enough to lose games like the Colts did in 2011. They will be in QB purgatory for decades if they just let the chips fall where they may. If the Chiefs want a franchise QB, they either need to get lucky on Quinn or Stanzi (not likely), take risks on guys like Tannehill, or pay far out the ass.

I don't care which option they choose. Just make it ****ing happen.

[O.city]

I've been giving this some thought.


Basically, at 11, every player that you propose the Chiefs to draft, you can look into the draft and find a guy who makes you think "damn, he could be had here and basically fill the need of our first rounder".


IMO thats why you go with the guy with the biggest tallest ceiling in the first. Mercilus or someone of such that has other worldly physical traits.

Then you can look at someone like Decastro for instance. All american guard, great player. Well we have two of those who we just drafted the past two years. Seems like a center would be a better pick.

Poe at NT. Great athlete, awful film. Chapman might be there in the third who could do basically the exact job we ask him to do right off the bat.

For me, the only guys that make sense are Mercilus, Tannehill (if you think he is the guy), Brockers for what he could become, or one of the blue chippers that happen to fall.


It's a really weird spot for the Chiefs.

[beach tribe]

Without Stanford Fumbling inside their own 5, and Missing a Chipshot field goal OSU loses.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by scott free

Even if just on first downs, goal lines, third & shorts... stymie a teams run game & you will rarely be embarrassed in any contest, win or lose.

Control the heart of the line of scrimmage, silly my ass.

You can do that without wasting a first round pick on a NT. Hell, we did it for the last two years. We haven't really just gotten raped repeatedly by a team running the ball in the last 2 years, and you think that adding a player that will see less snaps than Javier Arenas is going to magically make this a top 5 defense and "stymie" teams running attack? You might want to go watch the games where we were embarrassed last year, it was through the air. Surprisingly, having a NT in our 2-gap would NOT have prevented Stafford, Brady, or Fitzpatrick from molesting our secondary.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Is Brockers even better than Bailey?

If he is, it's not by much.

I have yet to hear any draft people call him "country strong"

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Is Brockers even better than Bailey?

If he is, it's not by much.

Probably not out of the gate, but he is also what 21? He has the possibility to grow into his body and be a Seymour type 5 tech. Or atleast thats what you would hope.



Again, I'm not excited about taking him but if the shoe fits.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

The Redskins pretty much sold the farm to acquire RGIII. There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't do the same next year since the talent we could surround our young QB with is far superior to anything the Redskins have.

Trade down, stock up on guards, ILBs, 5-techs, TEs, FBs, and all other thankless fat positions this year. Go into next draft with more ammo and throw everything you've got at a team in an advantageous position.

The Chiefs aren't lucky enough to lose games like the Colts did in 2011. They will be in QB purgatory for decades if they just let the chips fall where they may. If the Chiefs want a franchise QB, they either need to get lucky on Quinn or Stanzi (not likely), take risks on guys like Tannehill, or pay far out the ass.

I don't care which option they choose. Just make it ****ing happen.

This, especially the bolded part is a really good take.


Get your depth, take Kuechly, get your center for 10 years, get safety depth, whatever you need this year.


Trading back and grabbing a first round pick would be huge for the Chiefs.