Mother**** you Scott Pioli

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Han Solo

Sounds like you're a big pussy.

Calling out someone as a pussy?

[whoman69]

Are we still on a 5 year plan?

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Are we still on a 5 year plan?

60 yr plan...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Guru

becoming? Shit, he is already there for me.

Likewise.

Carl Peterson simply outlived his usefulness. It's the whole 'die a hero or become the villain' thing.

Ego Mc****stick, on the other hand, never had any usefulness. He's been nothing but a damaging shitheel for his entire time here. This franchise is no more respected league/nation-wide than the 2-14 joke he took over. At least most people understood that the 2-14 squad was rebuilding (and managed to develop a hell of a lot of talent in the process).

Carl took over a moribund franchise, turned them around immediately and raised expectations to a level he was never able to live up to. He created the "Arrowhead experience". He just never got over the hump and eventually started to believe some of his own hype. Absolute power corrupted and we turned on him. He reached the limit of his utility - a good, but not great general manager.

Pioli, OTOH, isn't worth a shit. Hasn't ever been worth a shit and hasn't done a thing for this franchise. Unlike Peterson who is the reason many of us believe the Chiefs deserve more, Pioli's done nothing but hurt this franchise from day 1.

[O.city]

As much as it pains me, because I want this team to be succesful so bad, I agree with DJ.


Now if this offseason goes well I will likely change my tune, but Pioli has had more headscratchers here than good moves.

It seems to me that most of his decisions are made based on the logic that I'll show you that I know more about football than you do.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Likewise.

Carl Peterson simply outlived his usefulness. It's the whole 'die a hero or become the villain' thing.

Ego Mc****stick, on the other hand, never had any usefulness. He's been nothing but a damaging shitheel for his entire time here. This franchise is no more respected league/nation-wide than the 2-14 joke he took over. At least most people understood that the 2-14 squad was rebuilding (and managed to develop a hell of a lot of talent in the process).

Carl took over a moribund franchise, turned them around immediately and raised expectations to a level he was never able to live up to. He created the "Arrowhead experience". He just never got over the hump and eventually started to believe some of his own hype. Absolute power corrupted and we turned on him. He reached the limit of his utility - a good, but not great general manager.

Pioli, OTOH, isn't worth a shit. Hasn't ever been worth a shit and hasn't done a thing for this franchise. Unlike Peterson who is the reason many of us believe the Chiefs deserve more, Pioli's done nothing but hurt this franchise from day 1.

There's something for your treadmill, Scott. Hope you've warmed up those chair-throwing arms.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

As much as it pains me, because I want this team to be succesful so bad, I agree with DJ.


Now if this offseason goes well I will likely change my tune, but Pioli has had more headscratchers here than good moves.

It seems to me that most of his decisions are made based on the logic that I'll show you that I know more about football than you do.

I actually don't agree, much as I can't stand Pioli. He's built a pretty solid team without dipping into the piggy bank very much. What's amazing is that while he seems to be very good at evaluating talent, his ego and attitude are making those good moves not matter.

If he wasn't so obsessed with coaches from the Parcells tree and could admit he was wrong on the QB decision, this team would be very good. And it should be a fireable offense if the story is true that he was so vindictive of Haley that he refused to surround him with quality free agents. A guy who would rather watch the team struggle than be proven wrong... that's a really, really bad sign.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I actually don't agree, much as I can't stand Pioli. He's built a pretty solid team without dipping into the piggy bank very much. What's amazing is that while he seems to be very good at evaluating talent, his ego and attitude are making those good moves not matter.

If he wasn't so obsessed with coaches from the Parcells tree and could admit he was wrong on the QB decision, this team would be very good. And it should be a fireable offense if the story is true that he was so vindictive of Haley that he refused to surround him with quality free agents. A guy who would rather watch the team struggle than be proven wrong... that's a really, really bad sign.

Solid team?

What are you basing this on?

Here are the guys he's brought in that you could even argue were good/great picks/acquisitions:

Berry
Asomoah
Hudson
Baldwin
Houston
Arenas
Moeaki

7 guys.

Berry was a no-brainer.

Arenas is a good NCB, but terrible value with that pick.

Moeaki is exactly what most thought he was - fragile.

The rest are guys that you're assuming are going to be good based on a limited number of snaps.

7 guys. In three years.

Out of hundreds of transactions.

7.

Guys.

Originally Posted by O.city

As much as it pains me, because I want this team to be succesful so bad, I agree with DJ.

Technically, you're agreeing with his left nut.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Solid team?

What are you basing this on?

Here are the guys he's brought in that you could even argue were good/great picks/acquisitions:

Berry
Asomoah
Hudson
Baldwin
Houston
Arenas
Moeaki

7 guys.

Berry was a no-brainer.

Arenas is a good NCB, but terrible value with that pick.

Moeaki is exactly what most thought he was - fragile.

The rest are guys that you're assuming are going to be good based on a limited number of snaps.

7 guys. In three years.

Out of hundreds of transactions.

7.

Guys.

I'd add to that list: Belcher, Breaston, Lewis, Succop, and as much as where he was taken has make it impossible for most to consider him, Jackson is becoming a solid 3-4 DE. Teams have taken players like Jackson in the 1st round, just in the bottom half, but still they aren't busts.

There has been a lot of turn over, and I'll say Pioli has already had two drafts that would rank in the Peterson top five.

Hundreds of transactions? Yeah, probably over the last 5 years there are hundreds. And for every 10, 4 pan out, and that's when things are working.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Solid team?

What are you basing this on?

Here are the guys he's brought in that you could even argue were good/great picks/acquisitions:

Berry
Asomoah
Hudson
Baldwin
Houston
Arenas
Moeaki

7 guys.

Berry was a no-brainer.

Arenas is a good NCB, but terrible value with that pick.

Moeaki is exactly what most thought he was - fragile.

The rest are guys that you're assuming are going to be good based on a limited number of snaps.

7 guys. In three years.

Out of hundreds of transactions.

7.

Guys.

Terrific pick-ups
1. Berry
2. Asomoah
3. Houston
4. Breaston -- even if it was Haley's guy, it was a huge pick-up

Quality starters
1. Tyson Jackson (our best d-lineman last year by a mile)
2. Tony Moeaki (terrific player when healthy)
3. Jovan Belcher (much better than fans give him credit for)
4. Javier Arenas (terrific return guy, very solid player at an underrated position)

Borderline starters / Quality depth
1. Kendrick Lewis -- could play much better next to Berry next year
2. Travis Daniels -- I think one of the most underrated players on our roster

Wait and see--could have potential
1. Baldwin
2. Hudson -- I think he'll be a terrific starter next year
3. McCluster -- right now, a reach. But toward the end of the season, may have flashed that he was starting to get it.
Tentative -- Powe. Hasn't flashed anything yet, but I liked the pick anyway.

Solid enough stopgaps -- not world-beaters, but solid enough to start until a replacement is found
1. Wiegmann
2. Thomas Jones
3. Lilja

Getting 12+ players who play a significant role on the roster in 3 years is a pretty solid track record, considering that the only two players they gave big contracts to were Cassel and Steve Breaston (and you can hardly even call Breaston's contract "big.")

[OnTheWarpath15]

I don't have time to get into this, but you're severely overrating some of these guys.

[Crush]

Thomas Jones is "solid enough?" The guy gassed out in the second half of 2010. He was completely useless in 2011. However, the so-called positives do not cancel out the main negative: Matt Cassel. This is Pioli's boy. This is Pioli's interpretation of a franchise QB. That is a massive FAIL by Pioli and should be fired because of it.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't have time to get into this, but you're severely overrating some of these guys.

Nope, he nailed it. The only thing I would change is Travis Daniels..

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Crush

Thomas Jones is "solid enough?" The guy gassed out in the second half of 2010. He was completely useless in 2011. However, the so-called positives do not cancel out the main negative: Matt Cassel. This is Pioli's boy. This is Pioli's interpretation of a franchise QB. That is a massive FAIL by Pioli and should be fired because of it.

Everyone keeps saying this but they can't name one person who would have done anything better than Cassel.