Big 10 Report: Conference Realignment

[Mr. Laz]

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sully

Good God...
You may very well have "had" my girlfriend at the time. Same dorm, same years, and she did screw around...

You bastard!!!

I never ****ed anyone that told me they had a boyfriend. Didn't need the drama.

Now, if she was a liar as well as a whore, then yeah, it could well have been her.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Post them?

Well from that list posted it would appear the following schools make more money playing basketball over football:

Kansas

maybe Missouri

Stanford? where's all that money coming from?

Kentucky

Indiana

Purdue?

Duke

North Carolina

Virginia?

Maryland

Boston College?

Again, let's see the numbers from the Big East...

I think what college basketball earns is tremendously underestimated on this board.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There isn't close to the national "affection" (for lack of a better word) for Kansas basketball. Hell, though a great program, it ranks behind UNC, Duke, and maybe even Kentucky in this regard.

No chance that a CBS is handing KU a sweetheart TV deal because there frankly isn't the demand nationwide.

Nah it wouldn't be a deal like NBC.

I was thinking more like CBS college or FSN... Or maybe a new player like TNT. Who knows. I'm sure you can sell it though.

I agree with KU ranking 4th behind those schools. But I KNOW that those 4 schools could get a nightly TV deal with a network if they were independent.

What else are people gonna watch during cold winter nights?

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Well from that list posted it would appear the following schools make more money playing basketball over football:

Kansas

maybe Missouri

Stanford? where's all that money coming from?

Kentucky

Indiana

Purdue?

Duke

North Carolina

Virginia?

Maryland

Boston College?

Again, let's see the numbers from the Big East...

I think what college basketball earns is tremendously underestimated on this board.

total revenue - football revenue = bball revenue? Is that what you are reading? And btw you just named the only bball-first schools in the country.Now name the rest.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Well from that list posted it would appear the following schools make more money playing basketball over football:

Kansas

Stop right there; you're wrong.

$17,676,175 = KU football.
$15M and some change = KU basketball.

Even the mighty KU basketball bows to the football program. Look back a few posts, as Plow posted this info. You can't just subtract football from the total budget and assume the rest is basketball.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Well from that list posted it would appear the following schools make more money playing basketball over football:

Kansas

maybe Missouri

Stanford? where's all that money coming from?

Kentucky

Indiana

Purdue?

Duke

North Carolina

Virginia?

Maryland

Boston College?

Again, let's see the numbers from the Big East...

I think what college basketball earns is tremendously underestimated on this board.

All that list contains is football and overall... basketball is the only thing accounting for the rest of that revenue (if it was just football vs.. basketball, it would be labeled that way).

Donations are included in those revenue reports. Schools that had major renovation projects during those years are going to place extremely well.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Which schools are those? Or are you assuming the difference between football revenue and total athletic dept. revenue = basketball revenue?
Considering the majority of the US would sign off on eliminating college hoops completely if it meant saving college football I don't see how anyone can think bball makes more $ than fball.

I agree 100% that CFB is more popular than CBB. Shoot, even I like football more. But that doesn't mean it's more profitable.

I'm well aware that huge football schools like Texas, OSU, the SEC all make more with their football teams. I also realize that football is what drives these huge conf TV deals being that per game football gets many more viewers than basketball.

But when you combine the fact that CBB is 300 teams. Plays many more games. Has a HUGE cash cow in the Mach Madness tournament. Less facilities, travel needs, player expenses, scholarships...then yes, overall it earns more for American Universities collectively than football.

Problem with bball is that it's revenue is MAXED OUT with the tourney. It's gone as far as it can go. And if CFB ever forms a playoff the same thing will happen. Not a bad thing just that eventually there will be a limit to what these "amateur sports" make. Realignment will increase revenue for schools with TV deals, I agree and that's why footballs' driving it.

It's just naive to believe that CBB is a speck on the surface of CFB because it's not.

[kepp]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Have we just identified the "tight little ass" in question?

Though I do pride myself in keeping in shape, this door only swings one way.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Stop right there; you're wrong.

$17,676,175 = KU football.
$15M and some change = KU basketball.

Even the mighty KU basketball bows to the football program. Look back a few posts, as Plow posted this info. You can't just subtract football from the total budget and assume the rest is basketball.

I'm not simply subtracting. Yes I'm making guestimations but when you look at the schools I listed they have HUGE separation between football and overall revenue.

Where's that coming from? tennis??

It's obviously CBB.

Do you guys not fill out office pools or something? Why are you pretending basketball doesn't exist?

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by vailpass

total revenue - football revenue = bball revenue? Is that what you are reading? And btw you just named the only bball-first schools in the country.Now name the rest.

Let's see the Big East list.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I agree 100% that CFB is more popular than CBB. Shoot, even I like football more. But that doesn't mean it's more profitable.

I'm well aware that huge football schools like Texas, OSU, the SEC all make more with their football teams. I also realize that football is what drives these huge conf TV deals being that per game football gets many more viewers than basketball.

But when you combine the fact that CBB is 300 teams. Plays many more games. Has a HUGE cash cow in the Mach Madness tournament. Less facilities, travel needs, player expenses, scholarships...then yes, overall it earns more for American Universities collectively than football.

Problem with bball is that it's revenue is MAXED OUT with the tourney. It's gone as far as it can go. And if CFB ever forms a playoff the same thing will happen. Not a bad thing just that eventually there will be a limit to what these "amateur sports" make. Realignment will increase revenue for schools with TV deals, I agree and that's why footballs' driving it.

It's just naive to believe that CBB is a speck on the surface of CFB because it's not.

I respect your consistency and admire your sticking to your guns in the face of evidence to the contrary.
I used to love college hoops back in the day. As a kid I would go see Iowa play in the old Field House, feel the place shake as our coach Lute Olson battled Bob Knight, Jud Heathcote, Lou Henson, Gene Keady, etc.
At halftime you could go behind the bleachers and shoot hoops on the practice court.
Recently I'm not so into it because of the transient nature of the players and the resultant way some teams have changed how the game is played but I still have soft spot for it and commend you on the way you defend the game.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by kepp

Though I do pride myself in keeping in shape, this door only swings one way.

Yeah, damn right!

(thanks for keeping it on the down low kepp, just like you promised)

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I'm not simply subtracting. Yes I'm making guestimations but when you look at the schools I listed they have HUGE separation between football and overall revenue.

Where's that coming from? tennis??

It's obviously CBB.

Do you guys not fill out office pools or something? Why are you pretending basketball doesn't exist?

It's coming from donations, general budget allocations from universities, NCAA disbursements, etc. And yes, college basketball is the second-biggest money-maker... but it's clearly and distinctly No. 2.

If it wasn't, college hoops would be driving expansion.

It's certainly not all coming from basketball.

[kepp]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I believed she called to encourage them not to throw away 100 years of tradition and rivalry.

And in honor of this, we're marching on Lawrence tonight!

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by vailpass

I respect your consistency and admire your sticking to your guns in the face of evidence to the contrary.
I used to love college hoops back in the day. As a kid I would go see Iowa play in the old Field House, feel the place shake as our coach Lute Olson battled Bob Knight, Jud Heathcote, Lou Henson, Gene Keady, etc.
At halftime you could go behind the bleachers and shoot hoops on the practice court.
Recently I'm not so into it because of the transient nature of the players and the resultant way some teams have changed how the game is played but I still have soft spot for it and commend you on the way you defend the game.

CBS and TNT just paid $10.8 billion, that's billion with a "B" to broadcast the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. The game doesn't need defending.