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LaChapelle · 10-16-2009, 11:04 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Bowe

On October 16, Bowe was traded to the Miami Dolphins for a 2nd, 5th, and Matt Roth.

JD10367 · 10-16-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle

They just saw the results of Braylon Edwards for a 3rd/5th and some scrubs.

Yeah, as a Pats fan, I'd be pretty unhappy if this trade were true. Bills improved at WR by adding Owens. Jets improved at WR by snagging Edwards from Cleveland. If the Fins improve at WR by adding Bowe... But, on the other hand, the Pats did add Joey Freakin' Galloway, so we're Super Bowl bound for sure!!!1!1

wild1 · 10-16-2009, 11:32 AM

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**Dylan** · 10-16-2009, 11:33 AM

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**Buehler445** · 10-16-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Because you don't trade your young playmakers if you're planning on building this thing back up. You trade your players that don't factor into the future of this franchise (Gonzales).

Yessir.

The thing about it is that to replace the sheer talent, you're going to have to dump a first round pick.

Late round guys have been productive, but they don't have the sheer talent Bowe has. And who do we have that can replace his production? Wade? Busted-Bradley? A late round draft pick? Bowe caught on quick and was productive early, but most WRs aren't.
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JD10367 · 10-16-2009, 11:35 AM

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Because you don't trade your young playmakers if you're planning on building this thing back up. You trade your players that don't factor into the future of this franchise (Gonzales).

I tend to agree, but there are other factors involved in a personnel decision. How much money a guy makes, how much he's slated to make, when his contract expires, if he's got a good attitude or is a locker-room distraction, if he's a consistent playmaker or inconsistent and underperforming, if he brings more in trade than his value, etc.,. And that last one is key, 'cause the one thing Pioli learned in New England is that no one is untradeable for the right price. If someone had come along and made the Pats a stupid-good deal for Tom Brady, don't think they wouldn't have taken it in a heartbeat, because Belichick and Pioli both have a long-term view of things. If Pioli feels "Bowe < a 2, a 5, and a LB" then he'll act on it.

carlos3652 · 10-16-2009, 11:35 AM

I dont think i would be Super upset if this went down... you are getting Roth, who i think would be the best Linebacker on this team... a 2nd and a 5th,

that would put us at a high 1st, 3 2nd rounders a 3rd, a 4th and 3 5ths... that would essentially get us a Playmaking S, a LB who would start, and 3 other players on the first day... and who knows with the 5ths we could use to make our second another first...

It would suck to lose Bowe.... but im not sure this would be completely stupid...

(edit: i know we already have the dolphns 5th, but just saying, if this went to baltimore...)

DaWolf · 10-16-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Because you don't trade your young playmakers if you're planning on building this thing back up. You trade your players that don't factor into the future of this franchise (Gonzales).

The only reason I could see them even contemplating trading Bowe would be because they don't believe he's going to be a guy to build around. Granted he's physical and young and makes plays here and there, but he's also inconsistent and his dedication is still in question, and he's also been a part of a lot of losing here, so it's not like he's been the one guy making the difference between winning and losing. There are maybe a few guys who you can trade that would have value to others (Gonzo), however those guys are few and far between. You wouldn't get peanuts for LJ right now for example. So the only other way to position yourself to rebuild the roster the way you want with so many holes on the team is to trade talent for value. You do give up Bowe, but you also put yourself in a position to have four picks in the top two rounds in the draft and you get a good linebacker.

Again, I don't think you trade playmakers, because you really have to make sure you hit on every one of your draft picks, but what I think doesn't matter. If the coaches don't like Bowe and the front office wants to build a team from scratch, they'll probably deal him if they can. Same goes for DJ...

**Buehler445** · 10-16-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

I tend to agree, but there are other factors involved in a personnel decision. How much money a guy makes, how much he's slated to make, when his contract expires, if he's got a good attitude or is a locker-room distraction, if he's a consistent playmaker or inconsistent and underperforming, if he brings more in trade than his value, etc.,. And that last one is key, 'cause the one thing Pioli learned in New England is that no one is untradeable for the right price. If someone had come along and made the Pats a stupid-good deal for Tom Brady, don't think they wouldn't have taken it in a heartbeat, because Belichick and Pioli both have a long-term view of things. If Pioli feels "Bowe < a 2, a 5, and a LB" then he'll act on it.

I seriously don't see how a team can replace Bowe's producticity with a 2 and 5.
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carlos3652 · 10-16-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I seriously don't see how a team can replace Bowe's producticity with a 2 and 5.
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A second a fifth and a young LB who was a 2nd round pick, and probably better than any LB we have here?

carlos3652 · 10-16-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Again, I don't think you trade playmakers, because you really have to make sure you hit on every one of your draft picks, but what I think doesn't matter. If the coaches don't like Bowe and the front office wants to build a team from scratch, they'll probably deal him if they can. Same goes for DJ...

Completely agree with this take

carlos3652 · 10-16-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I seriously don't see how a team can replace Bowe's producticity with a 2 and 5.
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How do you replace Gonzo's productivity with a 2nd... you cant, you get good value, you move on...

**The Franchise** · 10-16-2009, 11:43 AM

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A second a fifth and a young LB who was a 2nd round pick, and probably better than any LB we have here?

And guess what....then we end up having to take a WR in the first 2 rounds this year. Which makes them our #1 receiver...and we're back in the same situation we are right now. We'd only have ONE good WR on the team. There are other players on this team that need to be traded for picks before we even think about Bowe.

Now....don't get me wrong. If someone came along and offered a 1st for Bowe.....then I'd have to think about it. But no one is going to do that.

**Buehler445** · 10-16-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

A second a fifth and a young LB who was a 2nd round pick, and probably better than any LB we have here?

Yeah. Better than bad does not equal good [/htismaque]

I would be excited about Roth. But I don't think you're going to get a talent like Bowe in round 2. Even then, there is an even lower probability that he will be able to produce as quickly as Bowe did. So you want to get a guy that hits his stride in 2011 or 2012? Meanwhile for two ****ing years opposing defenses have to double team BOBBY ****ING WADE? Or what? We going to dump a Top 10 pick on Bouldin? Are we gonna get a 30 something washed up guy?

IF AND ONLY IF they turn both of those picks into starters and Roth stays healthy and productive would it be close to paying off. The probability of these the above situation coming to fruition is very small.
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carlos3652 · 10-16-2009, 11:47 AM

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And guess what....then we end up having to take a WR in the first 2 rounds this year. Which makes them our #1 receiver...and we're back in the same situation we are right now. We'd only have ONE good WR on the team. There are other players on this team that need to be traded for picks before we even think about Bowe.

Now....don't get me wrong. If someone came along and offered a 1st for Bowe.....then I'd have to think about it. But no one is going to do that.

I understand your take, I would love to keep bowe, but i guess i wouldnt be mad with either scenario..

**Buehler445** · 10-16-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

How do you replace Gonzo's productivity with a 2nd... you cant, you get good value, you move on...

Gonzo had 2 more productive years. Bowe conceivably has 8 or 10.
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10-16-2009, 11:04 AM
LaChapelle Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	I read it on the internet, it must be true.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Bowe On October 16, Bowe was traded to the Miami Dolphins for a 2nd, 5th, and Matt Roth.
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10-16-2009, 11:35 AM	#36
carlos3652 El Diablo Join Date: Dec 2004 Casino cash: $1806679	I dont think i would be Super upset if this went down... you are getting Roth, who i think would be the best Linebacker on this team... a 2nd and a 5th, that would put us at a high 1st, 3 2nd rounders a 3rd, a 4th and 3 5ths... that would essentially get us a Playmaking S, a LB who would start, and 3 other players on the first day... and who knows with the 5ths we could use to make our second another first... It would suck to lose Bowe.... but im not sure this would be completely stupid... (edit: i know we already have the dolphns 5th, but just saying, if this went to baltimore...)
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