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Old 08-08-2009, 12:15 AM  
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Glenn Dorsey: From Tradable Asset To Key To The Defense
A few months ago, when Scott Pioli and the Chiefs first decided they would run the 3-4 defense this year, Glenn Dorsey seemed destined for one of two things: a trade, or failure.

Dorsey's skill set and body type just do not fit what most people think about typical 3-4 defensive lineman; he is not heavy or squat enough to play nose tackle, and he is not tall and athletic enough to play defensive end.

3-4 linemen are supposed to take up blocks and let the linebackers do the work, not penetrate and blow things up in the backfield, and that is exactly what Dorsey is best at doing.

We weren't the only one's who made this connection—that Dorsey's unique skill set would go to waste in the 3-4—the Chiefs realized this too, and made adjustments.

“A lot of people are thinking this is a straight 3-4 defense and it’s not,” said Dorsey. “Being at an end is a new place for me, but it’s not going to be a classic 3-4 end on every snap."

"There's a place for me on this defense."

So here's the plan, the Chiefs will be implementing some sort of 3-4/4-3 hybrid that was run in Arizona last year by defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast that was called the "4-3 Under" by the Cardinals linebacker coach, Bill Davis.

Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle.

Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent.

Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time.
With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard. Dorsey left one-on-one with a guard is a match up I will take any day of the week.

This combination of rare positions side by side will not only confuse the defenses, but will apply pressure on the quarterback's blindside from two different positions, causing even more chaos.

Getting this kind of pressure from a defensive end in a 3-4(ish) scheme is very unique, and is sure to cause confusion for the opposing offensive line. Only the Cardinals have run this scheme before, and is still very new to the NFL.

Hopefully the Chiefs will be able to exploit this new fad to the fullest, much like the "Wildcat" formation has done thus far.

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Old 08-08-2009, 11:22 AM   #46
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Ughh, is Hali really going to be on the right side? I think we've already determined that he can't get around a left taclke for shit.
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:23 AM   #47
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Vrabel and Hali have recently switched spots in the 3-4. Vrabel is now over the Left Tackle, and Hali is over the Right Tackle
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Same here krab. But in this very thread you still have numb nuts acting as if it went right over there head.

And Tamba is lining up outside of the right tackle I believe. And Tamba had an off year last year, that's not uncommon. People writing the guy off after having two very solid seasons, both his first two in the league, need their head examined.
TRR reported from camp that unil yesterday, Hali was lining up at ROLB.
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:11 PM   #49
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Ughh, is Hali really going to be on the right side? I think we've already determined that he can't get around a left taclke for shit.
He doesn't have to get around a left tackle even if he lines up on that side because Jackson would be in a true 5 technique meaning the left tackle would have to honor Jackson no matter what.
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Playing our players in positions that highlight and utilize their skill-sets and strengths????

We havent seen this type of "craziness" in over a decade!!!!
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Ughh, is Hali really going to be on the right side? I think we've already determined that he can't get around a left taclke for shit.
That's one problem. The other problem is that he'll be asked to do a lot of LB stuff. He's going to look silly in pass coverage and given that he was so lousy stopping the run at the DE position, I'm more than just a little concerned about asking him to do it as a LB.

I'm pretty sure that Hali will have no role in this defense in 2 seasons.
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Your wrong and your right...it sounds like we will be running a hybrid sort half 3-4 and half 4-3 with supposedly unpredictable personnel changes and matchups. Hopefully it will work and cause some confusion for a while.
I hope so too. My fear is that the rumor in Arizona was that Pendergast's defense not only confused opposing offenses, it also confused Arizona's players.
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Same here krab. But in this very thread you still have numb nuts acting as if it went right over there head.

And Tamba is lining up outside of the right tackle I believe. And Tamba had an off year last year, that's not uncommon. People writing the guy off after having two very solid seasons, both his first two in the league, need their head examined.
I wonder why they don't listen to you.

You're obviously very smart.
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Will Dorsey have more of an impact than Sims?
well he really has not done much so far except get pushed around by bigger guys-so if we get ANYTHING out of this 1st round pick this year it will be gravy.
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is there any chance we can get a 2nd or 3rd out of dorsey? this will NOT WORK AT ALL
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is there any chance we can get a 2nd or 3rd out of dorsey? this will NOT WORK AT ALL
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is there any chance we can get a 2nd or 3rd out of dorsey? this will NOT WORK AT ALL
Like you know what will work or not.
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I imagine this was all stuff that any decent offensive scout would have identified anyway.

yeah, glenn will sometimes just take the guard straight up and sometimes shoot the gap and sometimes go after the tackle, he'll excel at the shooting the gap, but the other moves will help confuse the defense, like a 5th LB sorta, when's this one coming balls to the wall, the defense is called right/played right, it will confuse the crap out of the Defense.
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Dorseys bad knee is what worries me the most-will he even make it through camp?? He was out the other day allready-but that could have been yet another injury.
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Dorseys bad knee is what worries me the most-will he even make it through camp?? He was out the other day allready-but that could have been yet another injury.
Do you mean the same knee he started all 16 games on last year as a rookie?
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