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Old 12-30-2008, 09:05 PM  
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The Pioli Watch Thread
I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

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New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:23 PM   #3091
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Pepper Johnson
maybe not HC material but might be worth a look at DC. Has coached DLine and LB's.


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Old 01-12-2009, 07:24 PM   #3092
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:24 PM   #3093
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Wow, Pepper Johnson...that's Tecmo Bowl old school there lol.

I remember that cat.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:27 PM   #3094
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This idea that Pioli only has 1 or 2 people as viable coaches all goes back to the preconceived (and now disproved) rumors that Pioli will only leave if he gets a package deal with coach. There's no verification of that at all. What's to say he wouldn't pursue Shanahan, or Spagnuolo, or Frazier, or someone you don't even know about? He has been in the league for a long time and has lots of connections in the league. Let's just get Pioli in town first and then worry about the next step. I'd rather have both parties convinced that this is right than to rush because some "hot coordinator" is going to go off the market soon.

Such logic produces the same behavior that causes us to buy cars and other things without research for fear that they'll be gone soon.
Well that's just reeruned thinking on your part isn't it?
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:32 PM   #3095
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I love how the Boston media is completely outscooping the KC Star on this Pioli story.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:33 PM   #3096
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You're ignoring the possibility that we don't get Pioli. A different GM may not have a number of strong HC candidate friends in his network, and thus the supply of coaches would be lower.

I want there to be as many great HC candidates available as possible, instead of hanging my hat on the fact that we will definitely get Pioli and he definitely has some master plan of who he wants as head coach.
What if the GM ends up being DeCosta from the Ravens? Or someone high up with the Steelers? One of those teams will be in the Super Bowl, which means it'll be weeks before they get hired. In the meantime, other teams are going to hire head coaches, shrinking the pool of available candidates.

Would you rather have one of those guys or Pioli running the team, or should Clark have gone out right after the season and hired whatever old GM was available (Charlie Casserly, Floyd Reese, etc.) so they could have all the available coaching candidates to choose from?
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:33 PM   #3097
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maybe not HC material but might be worth a look at DC. Has coached DLine and LB's.


http://www.patriots.com/team/index.c...hbio&bio=10111
For Chrissakes, I hopes the NFL teams out there leave us with at least one or two guys.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:36 PM   #3098
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For Chrissakes, I hopes the NFL teams out there leave us with at least one or two guys.


He's another one that's been with BB along time, player and coach.

From a pats fan, what can you tell us about him. Just curious if you like him or not. Also, has he been mentioned that you know of as a DC candidate in the past?
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I love how the Boston media is completely outscooping the KC Star on this Pioli story.
And just to emphasize my point... the latest "scoop" from Adam Teicher...

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/613

Denny Thum, the Chiefs' interim president and general manager, is assisting chairman Clark Hunt with the selection and said Hunt was hopeful of having the choice made before the Super Bowl.

The Super Bowl will be played Feb. 1.

Wow earth-shattering stuff there, Adam.

And the KC Star wonders why they are near financial ruins?
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The Star couldn't get the scoop if all the details were laid right out in front of them in a timeline...friggin' inept morons over there.
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This idea that Pioli only has 1 or 2 people as viable coaches all goes back to the preconceived (and now disproved) rumors that Pioli will only leave if he gets a package deal with coach. There's no verification of that at all. What's to say he wouldn't pursue Shanahan, or Spagnuolo, or Frazier, or someone you don't even know about? He has been in the league for a long time and has lots of connections in the league. Let's just get Pioli in town first and then worry about the next step. I'd rather have both parties convinced that this is right than to rush because some "hot coordinator" is going to go off the market soon.

Such logic produces the same behavior that causes us to buy cars and other things without research for fear that they'll be gone soon.
If Clark is hiring a GM he would likey only do it if he knows exactly what the GM has in mind for coach, assistants, etc. This will all be lined up before there is a final agreement.
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He's another one that's been with BB along time, player and coach.

From a pats fan, what can you tell us about him. Just curious if you like him or not. Also, has he been mentioned that you know of as a DC candidate in the past?
He's been with Belichick since forever. Started out at the Giants as a player, then went to join him at the Browns to help turn that team around. Was a de-facto player coach apparently. Then when he came to the Pats he joined him here as well.

Pepper started as a DLine coach the shifted to LB. I was wondering whether he was a DC candidate when Romeo left, but BB brought in Dean Pees from outside the system, somewhat to my surprise.

My sense is that Pepper is a go-between between coaches and players, and a rah-rah kind of coach. "Run through that wall" BOOM! "Do it again!!" BLAM! I'm not sure he's an X's and O's, film nut, etc. that is primed for DC.

But I could definitely be wrong. He's played/coached the game his whole life, and BB clearly thinks highly of him. None of his other former players are coaching for him...
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I love how the Boston media is completely outscooping the KC Star on this Pioli story.
Boston sports media are usually pretty damn good.
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He's been with Belichick since forever. Started out at the Giants as a player, then went to join him at the Browns to help turn that team around. Was a de-facto player coach apparently. Then when he came to the Pats he joined him here as well.

Pepper started as a DLine coach the shifted to LB. I was wondering whether he was a DC candidate when Romeo left, but BB brought in Dean Pees from outside the system, somewhat to my surprise.

My sense is that Pepper is a go-between between coaches and players, and a rah-rah kind of coach. "Run through that wall" BOOM! "Do it again!!" BLAM! I'm not sure he's an X's and O's, film nut, etc. that is primed for DC.

But I could definitely be wrong. He's played/coached the game his whole life, and BB clearly thinks highly of him. None of his other former players are coaching for him...
kinda the way i looked at it. I remember some of us on the board thought of him when GRob got canned and we brought Gun back. Maybe he's topped his ceiling as a postion coach.

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Boston sports media are usually pretty damn good.
Even with the Spygate story
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