Football The Pioli Watch Thread - Page 205

cardken · 02:26 PM

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

RJ · 01-12-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Michael McCrary

Or Rob Burnett.

I think towards the end of that season they both started at the ends and Boulware was OLB.

Basileus777 · 01-12-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Really? I believe you, but I am surprised. Ok. 4 out of 8 then.

Yeah Marvin Lewis has always run a 4-3. I don't think the Ravens moved to a 3-4 until Nolan became DC.

Rex Ryan's 3-4 is more of a hybrid scheme anyway, the Raven's don't run the same two gap 3-4 the Parcells/Belichick coaching tree uses.

Amnorix · 01-12-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Yeah Marvin Lewis has always run a 4-3. I don't think the Ravens moved to a 3-4 until Nolan became DC.

Rex Ryan's 3-4 is more of a hybrid scheme anyway, the Raven's don't run the same two gap 3-4 the Parcells/Belichick coaching tree uses.

Oh heck no. Neither do the Chargers or Steelers. In fact, the Patriots D sometimes seems maddeningly "passive", but it's a proven system, so I just bite the bullet.

**1ChiefsDan** · 01-12-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Gee I hope not.

Fritz88 · 01-12-2009, 03:53 PM

MGRS13 · 01-12-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Oh heck no. Neither do the Chargers or Steelers. In fact, the Patriots D sometimes seems maddeningly "passive", but it's a proven system, so I just bite the bullet.

Seems like most of the time the patriots scheme depends on who they are playing. No better game to game coach in the NFL then BB if you ask me.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-12-2009, 04:13 PM

Pioli, KC starting to bond
by Mike Reiss GLOBE STAFF , The Boston Globe

Updated: January 12, 2009, 11:29 AM EST

Discussions between the Kansas City Chiefs and Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli have intensified, according to an NFL source. Although negotiations had not begun as of early last night, word out of Kansas City was that the possibility of a marriage was picking up momentum.

Even before he interviewed last Monday, Pioli was presumed to be the Chiefs' top choice to run their Football operation. That hasn't changed since Kansas City chairman Clark Hunt conducted a thorough, close-to-the-vest search that has included multiple candidates.

Hunt, interim president Denny Thum, and Pioli have increased their dialogue and think they could form a strong partnership, which is crucial, because regardless of whom the Chiefs hire, that person will have to work closely with Thum.

As part of the search for a general manager, Hunt has stated that he plans to split the job, with Thum handling business matters and the new hire focusing mostly on the Football side. Although it has been suggested that Pioli, 43, might be seeking total control and thus wouldn't be comfortable with such an arrangement, the increased intensity of talks indicate that might not be the case.

Hunt has decided to split the job after former general manager Carl Peterson, who was with the club for 20 years, held both titles. In dividing the job, Hunt has said he wants a general manager who would be a "fresh set of eyes" and "shrewd evaluator of talent."

Pioli, a two-time Sporting News Executive of the Year Award winner, would qualify.

While Pioli and the Chiefs moved closer, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has emerged as a top candidate to become the Denver Broncos head coach, according to Adam Schefter of the NFL Network.

McDaniels had a second interview with the Broncos last Thursday.

Amnorix · 01-12-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

Seems like most of the time the patriots scheme depends on who they are playing. No better game to game coach in the NFL then BB if you ask me.

Oh, I agree, don't get me wrong.

But the Patriots defense is very rarely the attacking style of defense that the Ravens and Steelers have become famous for out of the 3-4 system. It is a read-and-react defense.

It WORKS, but it's alot less exciting.

KChiefs1 · 01-12-2009, 04:19 PM

I know this is old but man we have to hire this guy!

Brian MacPherson's Patriots Notebook: Loss of Pioli would be huge one for Pats

By BRIAN MACPHERSON
Special to The Sunday News

MAKE NO MISTAKE: Losing Scott Pioli, should he take a new job this week, won't be like losing Romeo Crennel or Charlie Weis. Bill Belichick certainly has good instincts for player acquisition, but everything he's done with the Patriots has had Pioli's thumbprint on it.

And losing Pioli, the vice president of player personnel, also would make an already challenging offseason even more challenging.

The Patriots must evaluate the health of Tom Brady and make a huge decision on the future of Matt Cassel, a free agent who could be a candidate for the franchise tag. They must decide whether Laurence Maroney has any hope of living up to the promise he showed when he rushed for 745 yards as a rookie three years ago.

They must work on contract extensions for franchise cornerstones like Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Ellis Hobbs and Logan Mankins. And they must find a way to inject more youth into a defense that didn't get any younger when injuries forced the return of Rosevelt Colvin and Junior Seau.

►Click here to visit the blog of the Union Leader's Boston sports correspondent, Brian MacPherson, 'One If By Land.'

Trouble is, Tom Dimitroff, the most natural successor to Pioli, left last season to take over as general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. Belichick and much of his coaching staff will return, Pioli has had as much to do with the Patriots' decade of dominance as anyone -- especially anyone whose last name does not start with the letter "B." Still skeptical?

Here's a handful of highlights from the resume of the most sought-after executive of the offseason:

Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis, 1996
It seems easy now to call the selection of Ogden -- an 11-time Pro Bowl selection and perhaps the greatest left tackle of all-time -- with the fourth overall pick of the NFL draft a no-brainer. But five other offensive tackles went in the first round of that draft, and only two of them made even one Pro Bowl.

The Baltimore Ravens, with Pioli then in his first season as director of pro personnel, then selected bruising linebacker Ray Lewis with the 26th overall selection.

Four years later, Lewis and Ogden were cornerstones of a Super Bowl champion; both are locks for Canton. Yes, it's easy to find talent in the first round of the draft, but it's easy to miss badly, too -- and Pioli hit a pair of home runs.

Vinny Testaverde, 1998
The name of Bill Belichick became inextricably linked with that of Testaverde when Belichick picked the veteran over the popular Bernie Kosar to quarterback the Cleveland Browns in 1993, a move that turned fans against him for good.

But Belichick, later a defensive assistant with the New York Jets after he was fired by the Browns, would have had little to do with the negotiations to bring Testaverde to New York five years later. That responsibility would have fallen in large part to Pioli, for whom Testaverde played both in Cleveland and with the Ravens.

The Ravens had released Testaverde after a season in which the 34-year-old threw almost as many interceptions (15) as touchdown passes (18) and missed the final three games of the season with a knee injury. Pioli, in his second year as the Jets' director of pro personnel, snatched him right up. Testaverde then threw for 3,256 yards and 29 touchdowns and quarterbacked the Jets -- 1-15 two seasons earlier -- to the AFC title game.

Curtis Martin, 1998
Bill Parcells, who coached Martin for two seasons with the Patriots, got most of the headlines. But as director of pro personnel, Pioli had to have quite a bit to do with the decision to spend $36 million and first- and third-round draft picks to get Martin.

It was a steep price, even for a running back who had rushed for at least 1,110 yards in each of his first three seasons. But it paid off in spades. Martin rushed for at least 1,200 yards in each of the next four seasons and went to the Pro Bowl both in 1998, the year that turned the Jets' franchise around, and in 2001, by which time Pioli had left to join Belichick in New England.

Tom Brady, 2000
Self-explanatory, really.

Mike Vrabel, Roman Phifer
...And the outcasts turned champions, 2001.

Defensive tackle Chad Eaton left for a big-money contract in Seattle. Stalwart linebacker Chris Slade was at the end of the road in a decorated career. In response, Pioli and Belichick signed a handful of otherwise unwanted players like Vrabel (who couldn't crack the Steelers' starting lineup), Phifer (released by the Jets), defensive tackle Anthony Pleasant (not retained by the 49ers) and cornerback Terrell Buckley (allowed to walk by the Broncos).

And it was that defense -- as well as the play of Brady in relief of Drew Bledsoe, the franchise quarterback Pioli inherited when he arrived -- that shut down the St. Louis Rams in one of the greatest Super Bowl upsets in history.

That's just a sampling. Pioli since has hit the jackpot time after time with his personnel moves: Adalius Thomas and Rodney Harrison through free agency; Logan Mankins in the draft; Corey Dillon and Randy Moss in trades.

Belichick, of course, has had quite a bit to do with everything Pioli has done, particularly in the nine years since the pair left the Jets for New England.

But should Pioli take a pay raise with the Browns or Chiefs this week, he'd leave a huge hole in the Patriots' personnel team.

Brian MacPherson covers the Patriots for the New Hampshire Union Leader and Sunday News.

**dirk digler** · 01-12-2009, 04:21 PM

So I take it there is no "new" news in regards to us signing Pioli?

I wish they would hurry the **** up either way so we can move on.

leviw · 01-12-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

So I take it there is no "new" news in regards to us signing Pioli?

I wish they would hurry the **** up either way so we can move on.

We MUST keep up with all the other teams filling their GM vacancies right now!

ChiefsGirl · 01-12-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

So I take it there is no "new" news in regards to us signing Pioli?

I wish they would hurry the **** up either way so we can move on.

there is "some" new news.

Okay gang....

I can't do it.

Fritz88 · 01-12-2009, 04:31 PM

Ultra Peanut · 01-12-2009, 04:32 PM

Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis, 1996

That's just preposterous.

Fritz88 · 01-12-2009, 04:32 PM

F5 broke in my keyboard. Can't refresh anymore.

Please Clark, at least let us know what is going on. There are no concrete reports that we even offered a contract, heck, there are no concrete reports that we have even interviewed him!!

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Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2757187	Pioli, KC starting to bond by Mike Reiss GLOBE STAFF , The Boston Globe Updated: January 12, 2009, 11:29 AM EST Discussions between the Kansas City Chiefs and Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli have intensified, according to an NFL source. Although negotiations had not begun as of early last night, word out of Kansas City was that the possibility of a marriage was picking up momentum. Even before he interviewed last Monday, Pioli was presumed to be the Chiefs' top choice to run their Football operation. That hasn't changed since Kansas City chairman Clark Hunt conducted a thorough, close-to-the-vest search that has included multiple candidates. Hunt, interim president Denny Thum, and Pioli have increased their dialogue and think they could form a strong partnership, which is crucial, because regardless of whom the Chiefs hire, that person will have to work closely with Thum. As part of the search for a general manager, Hunt has stated that he plans to split the job, with Thum handling business matters and the new hire focusing mostly on the Football side. Although it has been suggested that Pioli, 43, might be seeking total control and thus wouldn't be comfortable with such an arrangement, the increased intensity of talks indicate that might not be the case. Hunt has decided to split the job after former general manager Carl Peterson, who was with the club for 20 years, held both titles. In dividing the job, Hunt has said he wants a general manager who would be a "fresh set of eyes" and "shrewd evaluator of talent." Pioli, a two-time Sporting News Executive of the Year Award winner, would qualify. While Pioli and the Chiefs moved closer, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has emerged as a top candidate to become the Denver Broncos head coach, according to Adam Schefter of the NFL Network. McDaniels had a second interview with the Broncos last Thursday. __________________
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01-12-2009, 04:19 PM	#3069
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	I know this is old but man we have to hire this guy! Brian MacPherson's Patriots Notebook: Loss of Pioli would be huge one for Pats By BRIAN MACPHERSON Special to The Sunday News MAKE NO MISTAKE: Losing Scott Pioli, should he take a new job this week, won't be like losing Romeo Crennel or Charlie Weis. Bill Belichick certainly has good instincts for player acquisition, but everything he's done with the Patriots has had Pioli's thumbprint on it. And losing Pioli, the vice president of player personnel, also would make an already challenging offseason even more challenging. The Patriots must evaluate the health of Tom Brady and make a huge decision on the future of Matt Cassel, a free agent who could be a candidate for the franchise tag. They must decide whether Laurence Maroney has any hope of living up to the promise he showed when he rushed for 745 yards as a rookie three years ago. They must work on contract extensions for franchise cornerstones like Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Ellis Hobbs and Logan Mankins. And they must find a way to inject more youth into a defense that didn't get any younger when injuries forced the return of Rosevelt Colvin and Junior Seau. ►Click here to visit the blog of the Union Leader's Boston sports correspondent, Brian MacPherson, 'One If By Land.' Trouble is, Tom Dimitroff, the most natural successor to Pioli, left last season to take over as general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. Belichick and much of his coaching staff will return, Pioli has had as much to do with the Patriots' decade of dominance as anyone -- especially anyone whose last name does not start with the letter "B." Still skeptical? Here's a handful of highlights from the resume of the most sought-after executive of the offseason: Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis, 1996 It seems easy now to call the selection of Ogden -- an 11-time Pro Bowl selection and perhaps the greatest left tackle of all-time -- with the fourth overall pick of the NFL draft a no-brainer. But five other offensive tackles went in the first round of that draft, and only two of them made even one Pro Bowl. The Baltimore Ravens, with Pioli then in his first season as director of pro personnel, then selected bruising linebacker Ray Lewis with the 26th overall selection. Four years later, Lewis and Ogden were cornerstones of a Super Bowl champion; both are locks for Canton. Yes, it's easy to find talent in the first round of the draft, but it's easy to miss badly, too -- and Pioli hit a pair of home runs. Vinny Testaverde, 1998 The name of Bill Belichick became inextricably linked with that of Testaverde when Belichick picked the veteran over the popular Bernie Kosar to quarterback the Cleveland Browns in 1993, a move that turned fans against him for good. But Belichick, later a defensive assistant with the New York Jets after he was fired by the Browns, would have had little to do with the negotiations to bring Testaverde to New York five years later. That responsibility would have fallen in large part to Pioli, for whom Testaverde played both in Cleveland and with the Ravens. The Ravens had released Testaverde after a season in which the 34-year-old threw almost as many interceptions (15) as touchdown passes (18) and missed the final three games of the season with a knee injury. Pioli, in his second year as the Jets' director of pro personnel, snatched him right up. Testaverde then threw for 3,256 yards and 29 touchdowns and quarterbacked the Jets -- 1-15 two seasons earlier -- to the AFC title game. Curtis Martin, 1998 Bill Parcells, who coached Martin for two seasons with the Patriots, got most of the headlines. But as director of pro personnel, Pioli had to have quite a bit to do with the decision to spend $36 million and first- and third-round draft picks to get Martin. It was a steep price, even for a running back who had rushed for at least 1,110 yards in each of his first three seasons. But it paid off in spades. Martin rushed for at least 1,200 yards in each of the next four seasons and went to the Pro Bowl both in 1998, the year that turned the Jets' franchise around, and in 2001, by which time Pioli had left to join Belichick in New England. Tom Brady, 2000 Self-explanatory, really. Mike Vrabel, Roman Phifer ...And the outcasts turned champions, 2001. Defensive tackle Chad Eaton left for a big-money contract in Seattle. Stalwart linebacker Chris Slade was at the end of the road in a decorated career. In response, Pioli and Belichick signed a handful of otherwise unwanted players like Vrabel (who couldn't crack the Steelers' starting lineup), Phifer (released by the Jets), defensive tackle Anthony Pleasant (not retained by the 49ers) and cornerback Terrell Buckley (allowed to walk by the Broncos). And it was that defense -- as well as the play of Brady in relief of Drew Bledsoe, the franchise quarterback Pioli inherited when he arrived -- that shut down the St. Louis Rams in one of the greatest Super Bowl upsets in history. That's just a sampling. Pioli since has hit the jackpot time after time with his personnel moves: Adalius Thomas and Rodney Harrison through free agency; Logan Mankins in the draft; Corey Dillon and Randy Moss in trades. Belichick, of course, has had quite a bit to do with everything Pioli has done, particularly in the nine years since the pair left the Jets for New England. But should Pioli take a pay raise with the Browns or Chiefs this week, he'd leave a huge hole in the Patriots' personnel team. Brian MacPherson covers the Patriots for the New Hampshire Union Leader and Sunday News. __________________
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Fritz88 Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $8505943	F5 broke in my keyboard. Can't refresh anymore. Please Clark, at least let us know what is going on. There are no concrete reports that we even offered a contract, heck, there are no concrete reports that we have even interviewed him!!
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