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Old 12-30-2008, 09:05 PM  
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The Pioli Watch Thread
I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

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New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:03 PM   #3031
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If Herm was the hold-up, the process would have never gotten to this point, IMO.
What point has it gotten to?
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:05 PM   #3032
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:05 PM   #3033
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Did he deal like this? 2003 offseason alone:

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2003 Trade Notes
March 6: The Patriots traded tackle Greg Randall to the Houston Texans in exchange for a fifth-round (154th overall) draft choice in the 2003 draft.
March 6: The Patriots traded a third (81st overall) and fifth-round (140th overall) selection in the 2003 draft to the Washington Redskins in exchange for a third-round selection (75th overall) in 2003 and a fourth-round selection in 2004.
April 14: The Patriots traded safety Tebucky Jones to the New Orleans Saints for a third-round pick (78th overall) and seventh-round pick (239th overall) in the 2003 draft, as well as a fourth-round pick in the 2004 draft (113th overall).
April 25: The Patriots traded a third-round pick in 2003 (78th overall) to the Miami Dolphins for their second-round pick in the 2004 draft.
April 26: The Patriots traded a first-round pick in 2003 (14th overall) and a 2003 six round pick (193rd overall) to Chicago for their first-round pick (13th overall – DT Ty Warren).
April 26: The Patriots traded a first-round pick in 2003 (19th overall) to Baltimore for a 2003 second-round pick (41st overall) and their 2004 first-round pick (21st overall – DT Vince Wilfork).
April 26: The Patriots traded a second-round pick (41st overall) and a third-round pick (75th overall) to the Houston Texans for a second-round pick (36th overall – DB Eugene Wilson) and a fourth-round pick (117th overall – DL Dan Klecko).
April 26: The Patriots traded a second-round pick (50th overall) and a fourth-round pick (120th overall) to the Carolina Panthers for a second-round pick (45th overall – WR Bethel Johnson).
April 27: The Patriots traded a fourth-round pick in 2003 (128th overall) and a fifth-round pick in 2003 (157th overall) to the Denver Broncos for a fourth-round pick in 2003 (120th overall – CB Asante Samuel).
April 27: The Patriots traded a fifth-round pick in 2003 (154th overall) and a seventh-round pick in 2003 (225th overall) to the Tennessee Titans for a fifth-round pick in 2003 (164th overall – C Dan Koppen), a sixth-round pick in 2003 (201st overall – QB Kliff Kingsbury) and a seventh-round pick in 2003 (243rd overall – NT Ethan Kelley).
August 19: The Patriots acquired NT Ted Washington from the Chicago Bears in exchange for a 2004 fourth-round pick (104th overall – DT Isaac Sopoaga).
August 26: The Patriots acquired G Jamil Soriano from the Chicago Bears for a conditional draft pick.
http://www.allthingsbillbelichick.com/drafts.htm
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:06 PM   #3034
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err...one or two. I've read Patriots Reign by Holly, Tales from the Patriots Sidelines by Felger, whatever it's called, the rather weird "Management Secrets of the New England Patriots" by Lavin, Never Give Up, by Tedy Bruschi, Won for All, by Pepper Johnson and Education of a Coach by Halberstam.

The "Management Secrets" book is probably the one you want -- or at least it's the one that comes closest to doing what you want. The problem is that it's a rather disorganized mess. It's like an MBA trying to analyze why something is successful without having too much insider access. It was an interesting read, but again, more than a little disorganized.

Patriots Reign was Michael Holley's book after spending 2 years inside the Pats locker room. He does go into some draft stuff, etc. It's overall a very good, easy read.

The rest probably aren't real close to what you're looking for in terms of philosophy.
Just checked my local Barnes and Noble, and Patriots Reign is in stock. Looks like I'll be picking it up tomorrow...
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:06 PM   #3035
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:08 PM   #3036
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CP didn't wheel and deal with regard to the draft? Moving up for Gonzo, down for LJ, trading a 1st for Green, dealing JA.
Yeah, he wheeled and dealed. Badly.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:09 PM   #3037
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Yeah, he wheeled and dealed. Badly.
I'm still pissed we drafted LJ instead of Polamalu.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:11 PM   #3038
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Just checked my local Barnes and Noble, and Patriots Reign is in stock. Looks like I'll be picking it up tomorrow...
Be warned, alot of Pats ass-kissing, as you'd expect.
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I'm still pissed we drafted LJ instead of Polamalu.
Yeah.

When you look at the list of players we could have had instead of moving back for LJ, and giving up picks for both Green and Vermeil, it's enough to make you sick.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:12 PM   #3040
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Be warned, alot of Pats ass-kissing, as you'd expect.
Eh, that doesn't bother me.

I'm one of the few here that respects the organization and the way they've built the roster.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:22 PM   #3041
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Eh, that doesn't bother me.

I'm one of the few here that respects the organization and the way they've built the roster.
Well, from the 2,000 posts on this thread and the drool that is dripping off most of them, it appears that actually many here respect the way the Patriots have built the roster.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:28 PM   #3042
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You raise very valid points. I can clarify a few items.

1. I'd be surprised if you guys DIDN'T switch to 3-4. BB clearly believes in flexibility between 34 and 43, but that 3-4 as the base is superior. And if you look at the last 10 years and who has won most of the Super Bowls, I think you can see why. Ravens, Patriots and STeelers are all 3-4 teams, and they have 5 of the last 8 Super Bowl victories between them, and a few appearances (that they lost) in addition.
4. The Ravens didn't run a 3-4 when they won their Superbowl.
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