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B_Ambuehl · 11-21-2008, 05:16 PM

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece

Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless.

Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him
By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, November 21, 2008

TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays.

Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead.

It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention.

Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left.

Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands.

"We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about."

After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming.

"My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs.

They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended.

"Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team.

"I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing."

He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again.

"I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?"

How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field?

Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year.

"Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel.

"It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down."

Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks.

Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow.

"We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations."

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Micjones · 11-21-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Wilkerson is going to be a monster. He was developing fine at OU, came out too early, and got stuck on the worst team/organiziation in the NFL. He would have been a first rounder if he would have stayed at OU another year.

Thank God, for his sake, we let him go. F*** you, Carl, for letting him go.

Tell me you're joking. He's already played past the average NFL players' life expectancy. He has 3 career sacks in 6 seasons.

He's going to be a monster?
You mean the type that molests children or the ones that hide in the closets?

**Skip Towne** · 11-21-2008, 06:26 PM

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Deberg_1990 · 11-21-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

Wilkerson is going to be a monster. He was developing fine at OU, came out too early, and got stuck on the worst team/organiziation in the NFL. He would have been a first rounder if he would have stayed at OU another year.

Thank God, for his sake, we let him go. F*** you, Carl, for letting him go.

A monster huh?

Wilkerson is what he is: A Role player.

googlegoogle · 11-21-2008, 06:32 PM

didn't do enough here to warrant it.

**notorious** · 11-21-2008, 06:33 PM

OK I embellished a little bit

He did have T Harris working on the same line at OU, also.

BUT, give him another year in a decent system, and I believe he can be very good against the run, and 8-12 sack pass rusher. He is only 27, too.

Remember, he was playing out of his normal position most of his time here in KC.
Never underestimate the incompentance of our coaching staff.

Micjones · 11-21-2008, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

OK I embellished a little bit

He did have T Harris working on the same line at OU, also.

BUT, give him another year in a decent system, and I believe he can be very good against the run, and 8-12 sack pass rusher. He is only 27, too.

Remember, he was playing out of his normal position most of his time here in KC.
Never underestimate the incompentance of our coaching staff.

I have a REALLY hard time believing he'll ever have a 12 sack season in the NFL.

B_Ambuehl · 11-21-2008, 06:51 PM

He was pretty good when he was here if you would've watched him. Like the article said, he was only getting 5 snaps a game. In order to know whats really going on in the trenches you gotta watch the trenches on a play by play basis, not just the highlights. There are players on this roster right now that are in similar situations. For example, Ron Edwards is playing better than any defensive tackle on this roster but he doesnt' get many snaps.

FringeNC · 11-21-2008, 07:01 PM

I think Herm deserves a 5-year extension.

sedated · 11-21-2008, 07:03 PM

he was on the radio after he went to TB, and trashed the chiefs front office. He said he was surprised anyone would stay here with the way they treat their players.

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

he was on the radio after he went to TB, and trashed the chiefs front office. He said he was surprised anyone would stay here with the way they treat their players.

That doesn't really surprise me with some of the things I've heard, but yes when you look at how many lineman this team has picked high to have none of them workout reflects on the organization as much as it does the players.

**cdcox** · 11-21-2008, 07:23 PM

I see a pattern developing...

We draft defensive players ....

We don't develop them...

They play better elsewhere...

We draft defensive players ....

We don't develop them...

They play better elsewhere...

We draft defensive players ....

We don't develop them...

They play better elsewhere...

TrickyNicky · 11-21-2008, 07:27 PM

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He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again.

"I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted.

God, we really need a new ****ing GM. Carl first. I don't even care if Herm stays one more year, but Carl and his cronies like Gun need to gtfo.

Delano · 11-21-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

This isn't a thread about Wilkerson's stellar abilities, it's about how the coaching staff is such shit that it can't get a lot of out players like obviously the Bucs' staff can.

Kinda like they are doing with Ryan Sims?

Mecca · 11-21-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky

God, we really need a new ****ing GM. Carl first. I don't even care if Herm stays one more year, but Carl and his cronies like Gun need to gtfo.

I will still to this day never understand that Turk McBride pick it makes no sense at all.

**cdcox** · 11-21-2008, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I will still to this day never understand that Turk McBride pick it makes no sense at all.

We needed a guy who could play DE for 4 games that we could then slide over to DT. So we drafted a guy who wasn't really suited to either.

11-21-2008, 05:16 PM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless. Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer In print: Friday, November 21, 2008 TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays. Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead. It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention. Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left. Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands. "We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about." After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming. "My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs. They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended. "Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team. "I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing." He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again. "I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?" How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field? Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year. "Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel. "It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down." Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks. Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow. "We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations." [Last modified: Nov 21, 2008 06:12 PM]
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notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-724116	OK I embellished a little bit He did have T Harris working on the same line at OU, also. BUT, give him another year in a decent system, and I believe he can be very good against the run, and 8-12 sack pass rusher. He is only 27, too. Remember, he was playing out of his normal position most of his time here in KC. Never underestimate the incompentance of our coaching staff.
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B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	He was pretty good when he was here if you would've watched him. Like the article said, he was only getting 5 snaps a game. In order to know whats really going on in the trenches you gotta watch the trenches on a play by play basis, not just the highlights. There are players on this roster right now that are in similar situations. For example, Ron Edwards is playing better than any defensive tackle on this roster but he doesnt' get many snaps. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-438231	I see a pattern developing... We draft defensive players .... We don't develop them... They play better elsewhere... We draft defensive players .... We don't develop them... They play better elsewhere... We draft defensive players .... We don't develop them... They play better elsewhere...
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