Gunther planning to use 3-4 defense in likely passing downs - Page 9

beer bacon · 06-23-2005, 02:06 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...de-scoop_x.htm

Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham is the latest coach planning the 3-4 scheme as a sub package. Cunningham plans to implement the 3-4 in likely passing downs to maximize Kansas City's improved defensive speed.

I like the sound of this. Who do you think would normally be out there on defense in these situations?

BigChiefFan · 06-23-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I find this whole thing about Keyaron Fox a little mind-boggling. Last year, he didn't play at all. Now, everybody including the coaches are talking like the kid is going to be a starter, and at the very least playing this year. So, why wasn't he playing last year? Why would the Chiefs elect to use Quinton Caver over his a**? I don't get it.

Here's a write-up on him...
KEYARON FOX
Position: OLB
Class: Sr
School: Georgia Tech
Conference: ACC
Ht., Wt.: 6'2½, 227
40 Time: 4.61
Grade: 3.76

Selected by Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, pick 30 (93 overall)
BIO: Three-year starter who led the ACC in tackles last season with 155/18/4, while also breaking up 3 passes. Junior totals were 92/13/3 after 95/8/2 as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Athletic linebacker who plays with a great amount of explosion. Forceful moving up the field, deceptively strong and adjusts off the initial block. Tremendous range and athleticism; fast sideline-to-sideline, gets depth on pass drops and makes plays in every direction. Quick arriving on the scene, has a closing burst of speed and throws his body around the field. Squares and wraps up tackling.

NEGATIVES: Lacks body control and over pursues the action on occasion. Has difficulty defending the run in the box and better out to the flanks. Hesitant at times.

ANALYSIS: Athletically, Fox is one of the most explosive weak-side linebacker prospects in the draft. His forceful nature coupled with the natural abilities gives him a nice upside for the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round

I would agree with that analysis. The key is... he's a better tackler than Fujita. Fujita has the size and speed for the position, but he attempts too many arm-tackles.

BigChiefFan · 06-23-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Speaking of coaches, I don't see how our secondary coach has a job

He's got help in Vernon Dean.

Chiefnj · 06-23-2005, 12:09 PM

For those who were asking, the 1997 "Falcon" defense:

DLE 91 O'NEAL, 97 Parten, 75 McGlockton
NT 71 BARNDT, 99 Holland, 75 McGlockton
DRE 93 BROWNING, 91 O’Neal, 95 Ransom*
FALC 58 D. THOMAS, 77 McDaniels, 98 Hicks*
ILB 56 SIMMONS, 54 Favors*
MLB 59 EDWARDS, 51 Manusky
ROLB 50 DAVIS, 55 George
LCB 34 CARTER, 45 Brooks, 46 R. Williams*
RCB 40 HASTY, 29 McMillian, 44 Warfield*
SS 25 TONGUE, 35 Johnson
FS 21 WOODS, 45 Brooks

Radar Chief · 06-23-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

except for i've seen something before about Savaii not staying focused and doing more partying than working out.

could be bull ... but it could be the reason why savaii has yet to show any of the potiential the team raved about when they drafted him.

i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a job

That doesn’t sound good.

go bo · 06-23-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

What are you basing your opinion on?

It's a fact he had weak leg strength coming out of college. It's also a fact he doesn't have much football experience and zero experience with playing NT in a 3-4.

all true, apparently, from what i've read about him before and after the draft...

now he could develop into a stud, probably in either the 4-3 or the 3-4, if he works at it for a few years, and i hope he does...

RedThat · 06-23-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Here's a write-up on him...
KEYARON FOX
Position: OLB
Class: Sr
School: Georgia Tech
Conference: ACC
Ht., Wt.: 6'2½, 227
40 Time: 4.61
Grade: 3.76

Selected by Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, pick 30 (93 overall)
BIO: Three-year starter who led the ACC in tackles last season with 155/18/4, while also breaking up 3 passes. Junior totals were 92/13/3 after 95/8/2 as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Athletic linebacker who plays with a great amount of explosion. Forceful moving up the field, deceptively strong and adjusts off the initial block. Tremendous range and athleticism; fast sideline-to-sideline, gets depth on pass drops and makes plays in every direction. Quick arriving on the scene, has a closing burst of speed and throws his body around the field. Squares and wraps up tackling.

NEGATIVES: Lacks body control and over pursues the action on occasion. Has difficulty defending the run in the box and better out to the flanks. Hesitant at times.

ANALYSIS: Athletically, Fox is one of the most explosive weak-side linebacker prospects in the draft. His forceful nature coupled with the natural abilities gives him a nice upside for the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round

I would agree with that analysis. The key is... he's a better tackler than Fujita. Fujita has the size and speed for the position, but he attempts too many arm-tackles.

Thank you for the insight BigchiefFan. So, from the sounds of it he seems ok. I'll keep my eye out for him in TC, and pre-season.

BigChiefFan · 06-23-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

For those who were asking, the 1997 "Falcon" defense:

DLE 91 O'NEAL, 97 Parten, 75 McGlockton
NT 71 BARNDT, 99 Holland, 75 McGlockton
DRE 93 BROWNING, 91 O’Neal, 95 Ransom*
FALC 58 D. THOMAS, 77 McDaniels, 98 Hicks*
ILB 56 SIMMONS, 54 Favors*
MLB 59 EDWARDS, 51 Manusky
ROLB 50 DAVIS, 55 George
LCB 34 CARTER, 45 Brooks, 46 R. Williams*
RCB 40 HASTY, 29 McMillian, 44 Warfield*
SS 25 TONGUE, 35 Johnson
FS 21 WOODS, 45 Brooks

If Tom Barndt can play nose tackle, Junior definitely can.

beer bacon · 06-23-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

except for i've seen something before about Savaii not staying focused and doing more partying than working out.

could be bull ... but it could be the reason why savaii has yet to show any of the potiential the team raved about when they drafted him.

i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a job

After seeing pictures of Siavii at the open practice I am ready to call the rumors of him not working out bullshit. He looked like he was in better shape then last year.

BigChiefFan · 06-23-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Thank you for the insight BigchiefFan. So, from the sounds of it he seems ok. I'll keep my eye out for him in TC, and pre-season.

My pleasure. At the open practice, Fox was in with the starting unit and he looked good. He's quick in the back field.

Mr. Laz · 06-23-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

After seeing pictures of Siavii at the open practice I am ready to call the rumors of him not working out bullshit. He looked like he was in better shape then last year.

good, really glad to here it

we need savaii and allen to both be at their best physically this year

BigChiefFan · 06-23-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

What are you basing your opinion on?

It's a fact he had weak leg strength coming out of college. It's also a fact he doesn't have much football experience and zero experience with playing NT in a 3-4.

That was then, this is now. The whole idea of training is to improve and from what I saw of Junior the other day, he looked damn good. He's a beast out there. Probably the biggest guy on the field, but not in a fat-ass type build. He collapsed the pocket on a few plays and looked like he had been working on improving his game and his techniques.

RedThat · 06-23-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

My pleasure. At the open practice, Fox was in with the starting unit and he looked good. He's quick in the back field.

I think he's one of the fastest LBer's on the team. I know he's quicker than Bell. Not as quick as DJ, but, definately one of the fastest. It is really good to hear he can tackle. I know Fujita quite well for missing a lot of tackles, and never completely wrapping up when attempting to make tackles.

Chiefnj · 06-23-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

That was then, this is now. The whole idea of training is to improve and from what I saw of Junior the other day, he looked damn good. He's a beast out there. Probably the biggest guy on the field, but not in a fat-ass type build. He collapsed the pocket on a few plays and looked like he had been working on improving his game and his techniques.

Fair enough, but I'm not sure much can be made out of collapsing a pocket without full contact.

LiL stumppy · 06-23-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Not me. I prefer Fox over Fujita.

Mitchell, Bell, DJ, and Fox.

Fujita has proven him self to be a solid LB.

BigChiefFan · 06-23-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Fair enough, but I'm not sure much can be made out of collapsing a pocket without full contact.

I agree, but it does show that he is strong,which is one of the points I've been trying to make.

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Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	For those who were asking, the 1997 "Falcon" defense: DLE 91 O'NEAL, 97 Parten, 75 McGlockton NT 71 BARNDT, 99 Holland, 75 McGlockton DRE 93 BROWNING, 91 O’Neal, 95 Ransom* FALC 58 D. THOMAS, 77 McDaniels, 98 Hicks* ILB 56 SIMMONS, 54 Favors* MLB 59 EDWARDS, 51 Manusky ROLB 50 DAVIS, 55 George LCB 34 CARTER, 45 Brooks, 46 R. Williams* RCB 40 HASTY, 29 McMillian, 44 Warfield* SS 25 TONGUE, 35 Johnson FS 21 WOODS, 45 Brooks __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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