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Old 04-24-2025, 09:40 PM  
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Old 04-25-2025, 01:09 PM   #826
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Agreed. Simmons had a higher upside than Moore, no question.

But again, we've won a championship with 'solid' at the position. Arguably less than that.

I think we're fine focusing on floor at LT. Smart to do so, in fact.

DL, RB - gimme ceiling. Secondary, LB, OL - I'm emphasizing floor. WR would largely depend on the existing room.
This is like the Alex Smith's fan wet dream. Overpay at RT. Give 40mil to your center and guard. Give 20mil to your LT and then draft another LT in the first. We just gave to draft a guard in the 2nd round to complete it.
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Old 04-25-2025, 01:10 PM   #827
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If you commit $15-$30 million to a player, that's more than a flyer.

And if you draft a player with a ruptured patella and no NFL experience to be your starting left tackle 10 months removed from his injury, that's more than insane.

I haven't viewed this through the lens of acquiring a 2025 starting LT at all. I hope to God the Chiefs haven't either.
Andy and Veach both said last night they needed to be aggressive to fix the position.

I sure hope you’re wrong, for multiple reasons.
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Nor did we, based on the investment we made in Moore.

And every team in the NFL could use a pro bowl caliber OT with experience on both sides of the line who presents a long-term solution to a difficult position to fill.

Lack of 'need' doesn't explain the slide. Scheme fit, or lack thereof, doesn't explain it.

It's talent, injury or a combination of both.

So either we put more stock in the talent than most or less stock in the injury.

We ARE the outliers.
The Chiefs are definitely outliers...no other team has 5 SB appearances in the last six years with the most recent showing their 3-time SB MVP QB get pressured at an absurd +50% clip.

Honestly, who gives a shit why the other 31 teams passed on Simmons? If one of them appears in 5 of the next 6 SB's and wins 3 then maybe then it'll be time to pay attention to their decision-making. But until then, f**k 'em.

For the Chiefs, a team that has been and continues to be built for sustained success, Simmons apparently made absolute sense at the end of the 1st round, especially after their medical staff did their homework plus some extra credit on his knee. That's it and that's all.
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Old 04-25-2025, 01:13 PM   #829
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Posted in another thread but here is Orlando Brown Jr evaluating Josh Simmons.
The most hilarious thing thing about that video, is how the armchair general manager wannabes here along with the "expert" Phoenix University/DeVry PHD "medical staff" here...pretend to know so, so much more about Simmons than Brown, Simms, Reid, Veatch, and the entire Chief's staff who are paid handsomely to make these decisions.

Of course, if Simmons doesn't pan out--they'll be screaming "we told you so!" regarding a proposition that involves about a 50% or less hit rate to begin with. Priceless!

EDIT: As for Moore's contract--it's Clark's $$$ and Veatch obviously had his "permission"...what are we whining about? Gosh, DEPTH, on the OLine...the travesty!?!
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Okay, so you would’ve been okay in the second. They got him in the first instead.

It’s not like the decision is out in some other orbit and indefensible.
The value lost in that calculus is about a 1st round pick next season.

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make there.

Risk is of COURSE mitigated by the amount of said risk you're taking on. Which is directly related to where the pick was made.

I mean...yeah. And? I'm fine with Moore at $15 million/season. I wouldn't have been fine with him at $30 million. It's not because I care about his take-home, it's because I care about how it impacts the cap and this what we can/cannot do around him. Again - a direct risk assessment.

That's...universal. It's every argument ever had about personnel on this board. Hell, it was what spun me up about Skyy.

What you're arguing is effectively a truism.
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I mean, I can squat 225 one-legged, and I'm a 42-year-old, non-professional athlete who is 6-1/225 pounds. I did six reps on each leg at the gym yesterday.
I assume you are you using a machine to do that, correct?

My CrossFit gym just happens to be doing squats today at 80%+ of 1RM. Just looked at the leaderboard and one dude did 385 pounds. Next most is 335. One dude I know who is a moderately good CrossFitter (way better than me) I see did 255. None of these guys are rehabbing torn knee ligaments, and yes none of them are professional athletes. I get that pro athletes are mostly way above these guys. Just still believe that for a ligament that was surgically repaired a few months ago we don't have to act like 225 pounds is nothing. If he's doing that and somebody is evaluating that the knee is functioning properly and looking good that could be meaningful.
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And he states the point right off the bat "His transition to the NFL will be easier due to his God given ability." His athleticism and movement are what allow him to react and adjust.

That's why a knee injury is so bad. We're not talking about a non-pulling guard that focuses on run blocking - he's a super athletic LT. His game is to mirror, adjust, and anchor.
What you keep missing is how good this guy is technically right now.

This isn't Kingsley learning to play the position.
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Honestly, who gives a shit why the other 31 teams passed on Simmons? If one of them appears in 5 of the next 6 SB's and wins 3 then maybe then it'll be time to pay attention to their decision-making. But until then, f**k 'em
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The Chiefs are definitely outliers...no other team has 5 SB appearances in the last six years with the most recent showing their 3-time SB MVP QB get pressured at an absurd +50% clip.

Honestly, who gives a shit why the other 31 teams passed on Simmons? If one of them appears in 5 of the next 6 SB's and wins 3 then maybe then it'll be time to pay attention to their decision-making. But until then, f**k 'em.

For the Chiefs, a team that has been and continues to be built for sustained success, Simmons apparently made absolute sense at the end of the 1st round, especially after their medical staff did their homework plus some extra credit on his knee. That's it and that's all.
You realize that the entire argument arises from people saying "why don't you just defer to the chiefs medical team?" - right?

Those other teams also have medical teams and came to different conclusions.

Nobody LED with this point. It was a direct rebuttal to an appeal to authority by citing alternate authority.

That's how debate works, chap.
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Then stop appealing to authority if you don't want to discuss alternate authority.

I didn't open this particular door, fellas.

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Honestly, who gives a shit why the other 31 teams passed on Simmons? If one of them appears in 5 of the next 6 SB's and wins 3 then maybe then it'll be time to pay attention to their decision-making. But until then, f**k 'em.
Also it’s more accurate to say how many teams drafting late in the first round who had a need at LT passed in him.

Obviously the risk calculus is different for teams drafting earlier in the first round.

Although you could argue that having guard arms (Will Campbell) is a bigger detriment/risk to long term success as a LT.
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