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Old 04-24-2025, 09:40 PM  
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Old 04-25-2025, 11:49 AM   #721
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While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.

Great teams without holes don’t usually end up drafting day one starters.
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Old 04-25-2025, 11:49 AM   #722
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Because those second and third round OTs have given us so much to be excited and optimistic about the past few years.

How is this board seemingly so unaware of how hard it is to find long term solutions at this position?
I think we can agree that drafting one in the top 15 gives you the best chance. Yes? Your best opportunity is to grab one of the top 3 prospects at the position.

You eventually have to do it. Pay the price - get the guy. Or you fiddle **** around for 20 years until eventually some 3rd or 5th round guy is a home run all while the odds are against you.
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Old 04-25-2025, 11:49 AM   #723
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I think that's the issue.

I won't speak for Duncan here, but he said that riiiiiiight around the time the "He's squatting 225 lbs" thing came out.

Which, for me, says they CAN'T know that. They can't see that. Because you can't until that ligament really gets taxed and really starts to carry a legitimate load. When it's starting to really have to drive. Or cut WHILE under load.

I - not Duncan or Crow or Burkholder or anyone else - cannot see how that question can POSSIBLY be answered when he's squatting about half what you'd expect from a high level college offensive lineman. That means it just way too early.

And Duncan can actually attest to this -- I disagreed with HIM in PMs about exactly how much risk Simmons carries. I'm absolutely willing to listen to someone explain how they can possibly have this level of insight when it comes to a dexterity and blood flow issue in a replaced ligament. When, by his own admission, Simmons isn't able to actually tax that ligament.

Can he do it under lighter load by higher reps? Shit, can he get on a recumbent bike, turn the tension up and put in 5 miles to provide some rough rough approximation of what load would be and then examine it?

Find me THAT. But I think a prima facia case here has absolutely been made to put the ball back in the other court. There's a LOT of evidence out there that this isn't a surgery that guys come back from with any regularity at all. So please, do explain to me why Simmons will be the exception to that.
One note on squatting 225 pounds. That's a lot of weight, even if it is only half of what he would be at full strength. Like that might be my max if I am at full strength and working out regularly. It doesn't seem impossible to me that they could evaluate how the tendon is doing under load with that weight on it.
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Because those second and third round OTs have given us so much to be excited and optimistic about the past few years.

How is this board seemingly so unaware of how hard it is to find long term solutions at this position?
But the guys drafting all those 2nd and 3rd rounders sure know how to do it if they get one in the back of the first?
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Because those second and third round OTs have given us so much to be excited and optimistic about the past few years.

How is this board seemingly so unaware of how hard it is to find long term solutions at this position?
How can this poster be so clear on the difficulty of finding a LT and simultaneously so certain that Simmons is the answer?
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While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.
People are bitching because the guy had a knee injury that may prohibit him from playing at a level worth drafting him in the first round.

That's it.

Stop trying to read anything else into it.
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One note on squatting 225 pounds. That's a lot of weight, even if it is only half of what he would be at full strength. Like that might be my max if I am at full strength and working out regularly. It doesn't seem impossible to me that they could evaluate how the tendon is doing under load with that weight on it.
Not a lot of weight for a college lineman from a P5 school at all. He could do that with essentially the entire load on his right leg and use the left leg merely for balance.
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While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.

Great teams without holes don’t usually end up drafting day one starters.
Hold on with that. I would be completely fine with Simmons not playing at all this year. Is anybody actually bitching about what he'll do as a rookie? I think the concern of all is that his ceiling for the rest of his life is low, even if technically he is playing and "healthy".
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Knee and back injuries to big guys are worse. Much worse. They carry more weight and absorb more punishment.
Correct. My arthritis in my back could have told you that.
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But the guys drafting all those 2nd and 3rd rounders sure know how to do it if they get one in the back of the first?
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How can this poster be so clear on the difficulty of finding a LT and simultaneously so certain that Simmons is the answer?
I have eyes. His skill far supersedes what Morris and Kingsley do physically.

It’s just not that difficult. The guys who do this for a living are telling you the same thing.

Again, I don’t give a single **** if this doesn’t work out. I’m tired of watching Mahomes play down to his potential because his LT stinks. This guy is our best shot to fix that for the rest of his career.

If you’re different and think 32 just had to be a Pro Bowler lock, which doesn’t exist and certainly didn’t with this board, that’s your prerogative.
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I didn't know that. So you know pretty early if knee surgeries are a success or not? That is good news.

I know my buddy had an acl and mcl (I think) one after the other and said both were painful as hell and a bitch to rehab. You have to deal with the pain or it won't heal right. Do all the rehab or it won't heal right. Do all the stretching or it won't heal right.

Then you have an elevated risk of a different injury due to the tendency to over compensate and use other joints and limbs too much.

Right or wrong we basically agreed to all this risk to save 20 draft slots. That's what it comes down to. We didn't want to pay the price to move up into the top 15 to get a top 15 talent.
That's what the ortho surgeon told me as we were discussing the arthritis in her kneecap after her surgery. That he can see scans a few months out if arthritis is developing as a result of the surgery.
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Hold on with that. I would be completely fine with Simmons not playing at all this year. Is anybody actually bitching about what he'll do as a rookie? I think the concern of all is that his ceiling for the rest of his life is low, even if technically he is playing and "healthy".
O.City just indicated that he didn’t like taking a depth piece at 32. That’s what I was responding to.
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While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.

Great teams without holes don’t usually end up drafting day one starters.
"First round picks have to start year one!" has always been a crock of shit to me. But that's just me.
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O.City just indicated that he didn’t like taking a depth piece at 32. That’s what I was responding to.
Gotcha. Yeah, if this were an ACL or something where we just knew we wouldn't have him year 1 this pick would already be in "home run" category for me. Basically my Chiefs draft dream come true.
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Correct. My arthritis in my back could have told you that.
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