Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

[SHOWTIME]

We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


and don't forget...

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[BossChief]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

The rumor is that Cooper DeJean is going to be trailing Kelce...

Please let this happen.

Philly is 4 deep at CB and this will help TK and the WRs

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

2. There will be broken TV’s across Philly if the Chiefs successfully land corndog again. The fear is palpable. They are more confident in their corners and Fangio’s scheme to counter it than in 2022.

They'll be looking for the corn dog, and andy will shove his hot dog right up their ass instead.

[UChieffyBugger]

Just thinking about what Sean Payton said about KC having "a significant advantage in the kicking game". Has anyone pulled up any stats? Would be interesting to see how Philly has done in that department because Payton seemed convinced.

Also wondering what Pat we'll see on Sunday.

1. The first SB he started ok. Ran in the TD, big throw down the side to Watkins and got 10 points first half. Had a rough third quarter and early fourth which resulted in two interceptions but then went off late to win it.

2. 2nd SB he had a toe injury and his line was a mess. Still made some incredible plays that just wasn't caught. Again two picks thrown in that game.

3. 3rd SB vs the Eagles. Carrying a high ankle sprain. He had his cleanest game with three td's and no turnovers. Plus did well scrambling.

4. 4th SB again rough first half. Threw a pick but steadied himself and came on strong late.

Would love to see a vintage Pat performance from start to finish. Let's see a continuation of what he did in the Bills game please. And even take it up a level.

[Rasputin]

I really think that the X factor is going to be Hollywood Brown for this game.

Hardly any film on him. All those close games during the season we won wouldn't have been so close. We would have torched some teams on the way to the number one seed. Games were only close because we lost Rice for the season and Hollywood Brown till the playoffs.

Hollywood Brown is going to open up this offense up.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Just thinking about what Sean Payton said about KC having "a significant advantage in the kicking game". Has anyone pulled up any stats? Would be interesting to see how Philly has done in that department because Payton seemed convinced.

Special teams have been a key part of every Chiefs Super Bowl run. Eagles kicker Jake Elliott is 77% of field goals this year including 1/7 from 50+ yards.

Eagles are 14th is special teams DVOA via @FTNFantasy and 15th in special teams grades via @PFF

— Price Carter (@priceacarter) January 29, 2025

[Hammock Parties]

1. Eagles kicker Jake Elliott is 77% on field goals this year including 1/7 from 50+ yards. Eagles are 14th in special teams DVOA.

2. Jalen Hurts has been bad when pressured this season. Out of 37 QBs when pressured he is #37 in success rate.

3. Saquon Barkley has piled up meaningless rushing yards against bad defenses. 1,529 of it came in 9 games against defenses that ranked in the bottom 10 against the run. In the other 10 games, he averaged 92 yards.

4. The Eagles run defense can be had. The Rams were running all over them. Additionally, their defensive tackles have very poor PFF grades. I look for Reid to exploit them on the ground the same way he did Buffalo.

5. The sickness running through their locker room is a huge X-Factor, considering they are already way more banged up than KC. This could make a big difference in the fourth quarter.

6. CJ Gardner-Johnson can be had. He allowed 8 TDs this year, in only 37 targets against. The Chiefs will attempt to isolate and exploit him.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

1. Eagles kicker Jake Elliott is 77% on field goals this year including 1/7 from 50+ yards. Eagles are 14th in special teams DVOA.

2. Jalen Hurts has been bad when pressured this season. Out of 37 QBs when pressured he is #37 in success rate.

3. Saquon Barkley has piled up meaningless rushing yards against bad defenses. 1,529 of it came in 9 games against defenses that ranked in the bottom 10 against the run. In the other 10 games, he averaged 92 yards.

4. The Eagles run defense can be had. The Rams were running all over them. Additionally, their defensive tackles have very poor PFF grades. I look for Reid to exploit them on the ground the same way he did Buffalo.

5. The sickness running through their locker room is a huge X-Factor, considering they are already way more banged up than KC. This could make a big difference in the fourth quarter.

6. CJ Gardner-Johnson can be had. He allowed 8 TDs this year, in only 37 targets against. The Chiefs will attempt to isolate and exploit him.

This is all good stuff.

Personally, I think if we win first downs we will screw their offense up big time. They’ll still run some on 2nd and long but disrupting first down is always key to getting teams off their game plan. They press because they know they have to go up multiple scores (and they also know even that isn’t the sure thing it is with other teams). Play tough on first down, make them question what to do on second down, and tear their hearts out on third down.

[ShortRoundChief]

The media night interview with Andy and Nick was awkward, imo, he wouldn’t even look at Andy. I was thinking what a ****.

[htismaqe]

I'm sick of hearing about Barkley, honestly. This isn't 1995. Patrick Mahomes is not losing to a RB.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm sick of hearing about Barkley, honestly. This isn't 1995. Patrick Mahomes is not losing to a RB.

The recent SB history of “great running game + above average QB play” vs. “superstar elite QB” is not pretty for the RB side.

You have to go back to the Seahawks pounding Denver to find the QB losing, and that was Payton Manning, so does it even count?

Before that, you’re all the way back to the Broncos and Terrell Davis and an old John Elway beating prime Favre and the Packers.

[Coochie liquor]

Are eagles, fans, delusional, clueless, or a mixture of the two? Pretty much all I hear from 99% of them is how they should be winning by double digits. They have a better roster, we don’t stand a chance. Have they even looked at their opponent and seen anything about us? It’s crazy, like we get blown out. Ever. At least when we’re playing our starters. All of our games are almost one score games. And we have the better quarterback, although not according to them, coach, and defensive coordinator. It’s almost an echo chamber with eagle fans, they don’t seem very knowledgeable about our team, or really x’s and o’s at all.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The recent SB history of “great running game + above average QB play” vs. “superstar elite QB” is not pretty for the RB side.

You have to go back to the Seahawks pounding Denver to find the QB losing, and that was Payton Manning, so does it even count?

Before that, you’re all the way back to the Broncos and Terrell Davis and an old John Elway beating prime Favre and the Packers.

Eli was an above average QB and they won by just killing the clock with long scoring drives against the Pats...

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Are eagles, fans, delusional, clueless, or a mixture of the two? Pretty much all I hear from 99% of them is how they should be winning by double digits. They have a better roster, we don’t stand a chance. Have they even looked at their opponent and seen anything about us? It’s crazy, like we get blown out. Ever. At least when we’re playing our starters. All of our games are almost one score games. And we have the better quarterback, although not according to them, coach, and defensive coordinator. It’s almost an echo chamber with eagle fans, they don’t seem very knowledgeable about our team, or really x’s and o’s at all.

Most football fans are just casuals and it's the perfect storm for them...
...they're coming off a blow out win
...Chiefs are coming off a close win
...Eagles: national media is riding Barkley hard
...Chiefs: national media is talking about uh, the refs?

And Philly fans don't seem far removed from Bills fans.... where one breaks tables with their skulls for fun and the other burns down their town after games for fun.

I associate with a few of them through work and saying "go birds" is their level of football talk... I've asked one about their offensive changes this year and they have no clue. Pretty sure if I asked them to name 3 Eagles players they'd get stuck after two.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The recent SB history of “great running game + above average QB play” vs. “superstar elite QB” is not pretty for the RB side.

You have to go back to the Seahawks pounding Denver to find the QB losing, and that was Payton Manning, so does it even count?

Before that, you’re all the way back to the Broncos and Terrell Davis and an old John Elway beating prime Favre and the Packers.

That's what I don't get about former players and the smarter media guys every year picking the best roster.... don't you all watch this stuff religiously? Maybe take some notes so you can remember how this has played out every season?

It's one thing to pick the Eagles, even if it's just because you think the odds are against the Chiefs to continue winning 50/50 games... that's fair. We're all amazed by it and the streak will end one day... but these picks for the Eagles to win relatively easily because they're better on paper... jfc, we've talked about this, you've seen how it plays out over and over...

[Direckshun]

I'm going to parrot something Verderame said on a podcast. Kellen Moore runs a very effective system with great offensive talent in Philly, but it's static. You know it's coming, and teams just can't stop it.

But if Spags knows what you're running every single down, then ohmygod. You might be in a lot of trouble. Spags is an expert at, among literally everything, forcing you to beat him lefthanded. And once Barkley is largely contained, can Hurts pull the plays out of his rear against a better defense this Super Bowl than the one he played last time? I'm skeptical. They'll have good time of possession, but I'll be surprised if the Eagles score more than 24.

The Chiefs offense meanwhile will likely have a repeat of what they did against Buffalo -- long possessions with quick passing and few punts. I anticipate the Chiefs will score almost every time they possess the ball. I think the question comes down to "field goals or touchdowns?"

And there are reasons to think it'll be field goals, right? But even then, there are counterarguments in the Chiefs favor.

The Eagles have the best run defense in the NFL, so it's going to be very hard to get Hunt/Pacheco rolling. But they weren't exactly rolling to begin with; the Chiefs are an opportunistic run team, not a team that runs to win. They'll pick their spots, and the Chiefs RBs will probably get the yards they need. And besides, if you feel you have to abandon the run game... name me one quarterback in this league who is hungrier to throw the ball every single down than Mahomes.

There isn't one. He understands the logic of running the ball, but if you told him he's going to have to pass 60 times against this Eagles defense, we all know what his answer would be.

I anticipate the Chiefs can pass the ball all over Philly, but there is one Cooper DeJean-sized consideration to make. DeJean plays McDuffie-style ball out of the slot, and the Chiefs get all their best plays in the passing game, it seems, by manipulating who they run out of the slot. I still think the Chiefs can do damage there, but they're going to have to come up with some Plan Bs, because running your best stuff against the other teams' best or second-best defender is a lot to ask. Really, really good slot CBs screw with the Chiefs plans, historically.

But I just don't care. Reid's had two weeks to prepare for this game against a defensive coordinator he knows intimately and that he's never lost to since Mahomes has arrived. They are going to gameplan to negate Jalen Carter and the edge rush. Kelce will likely have a very solid game. Hunt will see the majority of the carries and the Chiefs are going to keep moving the sticks all game.

I just think God himself couldn't keep Mahomes out of the endzone this game. I'm like 65/35 certain the Chiefs will win, and while you have to assume it'll be a one-score game, it wouldn't surprise me if the Chiefs dropped 37 points and shocked the world on their way to a threepeat.