Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

[SHOWTIME]

We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


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[seamonster]

Originally Posted by Oregon chief

Been a while since I posted but I'm curious about people's observations on the Eagles since I haven't watched any of their games. I did a Quick Look at Rams game, and it looks like Barkley had two explosive runs for 78, and 62 yards. If you take those away, he had 65 yards on 24 rushing attempts for an average of 2.7 YPC. Obviously the guy is a stud given the sheer numbers he's put up this year. But the Rams kept him bottled up except for those two plays and Jaylen also had a 44 yard TD. Maybe that's a bad sample game to look at?

Why do people keep doing this "if you take away..." bit with Barkley's rushing totals? Explosive plays are what Barkley does. You can't just wave the hands and take that away and pretend it doesn't exist.

[Rainbarrel]

Christian McCaffrey had 22 carries for 80 yards and scored 1 touchdown in 1 game in Super Bowl LVIII against the Chiefs on February 11.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I do think the Eagles are a little better on the whole.

I also think the Chiefs might be a little worse due to some concerns at CB3/Safety as well as obviously the left side of the OL (Caliendo, primarily).

If both teams play an A game, it's just gonna come down to a play being made or not made somewhere along the way.

But the key is that there are just no guarantees that both teams play an A game. I think if the Eagles have stepped back anywhere its in their coaching staff. I just don't worry as much about Moore or Fangio. And Sirianni is still a clown.

I think the odds of the Eagles playing a great game are lower than they were under the 2022 staff with guys like Kelce and Cox as long-term veteran throughput.

KC's defense was green and mediocre in '22, and the WR corps was Smith-Schuster, MVS, Toney and Moore.

The tackles weren't exactly spectacular either.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Why do people keep doing this "if you take away..." bit with Barkley's rushing totals? Explosive plays are what Barkley does. You can't just wave the hands and take that away and pretend it doesn't exist.

I don’t think anyone is saying “If not for the long runs, Barkley sucks”.

I think the point is more that if you limit the long runs, then the Eagles are forced to work for it.

Look at the Green Bay game. Barkley had a nice but not dominant game. His long run was 17 yards and the Eagles were almost completely unable to sustain long drives.

Green Bay’s 4 turnovers lost that game. The Eagles otherwise had difficultly finishing drive when Barkley isn’t hitting home runs.

Eagles punted 5 times and kicked 3 field goals. 1 TD came on a short field after a turnover. The other was Philly’s only long drive of the game.

Replicate that effort, and the Chiefs are winning the Super Bowl.

[PatMahomesIsGod]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So does Jalen Hurts play the game of his life again?

Not likely.

[Oregon chief]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I don’t think anyone is saying “If not for the long runs, Barkley sucks”.

I think the point is more that if you limit the long runs, then the Eagles are forced to work for it.

Look at the Green Bay game. Barkley had a nice but not dominant game. His long run was 17 yards and the Eagles were almost completely unable to sustain long drives.

Green Bay’s 4 turnovers lost that game. The Eagles otherwise had difficultly finishing drive when Barkley isn’t hitting home runs.

Eagles punted 5 times and kicked 3 field goals. 1 TD came on a short field after a turnover. The other was Philly’s only long drive of the game.

Replicate that effort, and the Chiefs are winning the Super Bowl.

Right. these guys aren't bullies like the 03 chiefs that just rush for 10 yards and push you around. they're making their money on busting a long one here and there.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

You have to go with Thuney and Caliendo, which Andy confirmed today.

Yes, Carter and Williams vs. Caliendo is scary. But if we are going to deal with quick pressure, I want Patrick to see it coming. He dealt with it his few few years before Thuney.

The blindside shit has proven to be a far bigger concern over time because there's not much 15 can do to avoid it.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

You have to go with Thuney and Caliendo, which Andy confirmed today.

Yes, Carter and Williams vs. Caliendo is scary. But if we are going to deal with quick pressure, I want Patrick to see it coming. He dealt with it his few few years before Thuney.

The blindside shit has proven to be a far bigger concern over time because there's not much 15 can do to avoid it.

Caliendo and Trey will get help.

I don't see Reid letting Jalen Carter wreck the game.

[SHOWTIME]

Barkley had a great year, but so did Derrick Henry and Spags limited him to 40 yards in week 1, which is by far his worst game of the season. The media is acting likely Saquon is going to run roughshod over our D.

Barkley - 2000 yards, 13 TDs

Henry - 1920 yards, 15 TDs

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I actually like how KCs defense matches up to the Eagles offense. KC can commit more to stopping the run because they have a secondary that can hold up well in coverage. It can’t be understated that McDuffie, Karlaftis, Williams, Watson, Cook, and Chenel were all rookies in the 22 Super Bowl. They have all improved and all of that experience will continue to pay dividends in this game.

On offense if they can keep Mahomes upright and limit turnovers they should be able to move the ball well as Reid is very familiar with the Fangio defense. They will just have to punch it in when they get into the red zone vs settling for FGs. Hope they really utilize Hopkins and his ability to catch almost anything down there in this game.

I like it, too. KC has a big and physical DL (this is where having guys who can set the edge and hold up against the run but aren't super bendy pays off) and pretty good depth.

And the LB corps is really good against the run. Having a SLB who is an absolute freak speed-strength guy who loves contact like Chenal is also helpful, as is Bolton's ability to come downhill and shoot gaps. Everyone does his job, too - you don't see much freelancing.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Kelce sticking it to Houston was fantastic because if absolutely nothing else comes of it, it re-established him as a credible threat that teams have to be prepared to focus on.

Buffalo obviously did and it opened things up for Worthy and Hollywood.

Putting that on tape was enormous for us.

Yeah, that was big. If the Eagles try to cover him with Baun or Burks or Gardner-Johnson straight up, or don't dedicate extra resources, he can still put guys in the blender.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I like it, too. KC has a big and physical DL (this is where having guys who can set the edge and hold up against the run but aren't super bendy pays off) and pretty good depth.

And the LB corps is really good against the run. Having a SLB who is an absolute freak speed-strength guy who loves contact like Chenal is also helpful, as is Bolton's ability to come downhill and shoot gaps. Everyone does his job, too - you don't see much freelancing.



Yeah, that was big. If the Eagles try to cover him with Baun or Burks or Gardner-Johnson straight up, or don't dedicate extra resources, he can still put guys in the blender.

Good call on Chenal.


I was puzzled by the pick at the time. Loved the player but didn't understand the value there.

But in a game like this you love to have him.

[Hoover]

The coaching advantage favors the Chiefs greatly.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by Hoover

The coaching advantage favors the Chiefs greatly.

Didn't we have this exact conversation in 2022? The Eagles had the better roster but the Chiefs had the better coaching staff? Or am I insane?

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

KC's defense was green and mediocre in '22, and the WR corps was Smith-Schuster, MVS, Toney and Moore.

The tackles weren't exactly spectacular either.

I agree about the defense but our offense was awesome in 2022. Mahomes won the MVP that year and they were one of the highest ranked offenses in the league. Very efficient despite the WRs you mention.

[Pepe Silvia]

The bye week is getting pretty damn close to ending. The game will be here before you know it.