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I mean, cheating has gone on in some form or fashion since forever.

How many pitchers are in the hall who used spit, snot, vasoline , etc….?
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I mean, cheating has gone on in some form or fashion since forever.

How many pitchers are in the hall who used spit, snot, vasoline , etc….?
Hell, you have to use a vibrator to get your wife off. Is that cheating too?
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I mean, cheating has gone on in some form or fashion since forever.

How many pitchers are in the hall who used spit, snot, vasoline , etc….?
You know you dint belong here right?
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I mean, cheating has gone on in some form or fashion since forever.

How many pitchers are in the hall who used spit, snot, vasoline , etc….?
Perhaps this is just me...

If you cheated by roiding up and you made it to the show as the 23rd guy on the 26 man roster... no records are in danger. If you get caught you are gone but as long as you continue being the 23rd guy on the roster... chances are your career will come and go without anyone being the wiser.

When a dude like Barry roids up and crushes single season and career records by cheating... you don't get to go to the HoF. All the life long glory of being in the HoF and being, unquestionably, regarded as one of the GOATS of the game... he spent all that future equity by juicing up during his playing career.

Reminds me of Dr. Now... (from the start of this video through :25)
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Perhaps this is just me...

If you cheated by roiding up and you made it to the show as the 23rd guy on the 26 man roster... no records are in danger. If you get caught you are gone but as long as you continue being the 23rd guy on the roster... chances are your career will come and go without anyone being the wiser.

When a dude like Barry roids up and crushes single season and career records by cheating... you don't get to go to the HoF. All the life long glory of being in the HoF and being, unquestionably, regarded as one of the GOATS of the game... he spent all that future equity by juicing up during his playing career.

Reminds me of Dr. Now... (from the start of this video through :25)
So it's fine if all of the pitchers and other hitters in Bonds' era 'roided up but it's not fine for him because he happened to be (much) better than all of them at the same time?

Sounds like the kind of logic of a BBWAA writer voting for the HOF.
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So it's fine if all of the pitchers and other hitters in Bonds' era 'roided up but it's not fine for him because he happened to be (much) better than all of them at the same time?

Sounds like the kind of logic of a BBWAA writer voting for the HOF.
Did I say it was fine or did I say

"If you get caught you are gone but as long as you continue being the 23rd guy on the roster... chances are your career will come and go without anyone being the wiser."
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David Ortiz failed a drug test and got in on the first ballot.

Canseco has alluded to the fact that there are multiple steroid users in the HOF already (my guess is Rickey and Pudge).

At this point let them all in. It is a museum. If I’m going to a museum about the history of baseball, that museum is not complete without the hit king, the home run king, and the greatest pitcher of all time.

Acknowledge the fact that they used PEDs on their plaques if you must, but put them in for gods sake.
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Somehow someone didn't vote for Ichiro. One vote short of unanimous.
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Somehow someone didn't vote for Ichiro. One vote short of unanimous.
3,000 hit club, record 10 Gold Gloves by an outfielder, 2001 AL MVP, single-season record for most hits in a season, an ambassador for the game, trail blazer from Japan.

It's crazy that a reliever is the only unanimous. A reliever?!!!! Relievers don't even get Cy Young consideration anymore.
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The hall is a joke without Bonds, Clemens, A Rod, Rose etc.
Or Martin and Murtaugh for managers.
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The cheaters aren't entitled to anything. This is an honor.

Them sitting on the outside is a reminder to future players that this is what happens when you use. It's a deterrent.
Is issue is more they pick and choose, does a single person think Jeff Bagwell wasn't on anything?
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Is issue is more they pick and choose, does a single person think Jeff Bagwell wasn't on anything?
Bagwell's reputation has been stained despite being in the Hall of Fame.

He had a first ballot resume and it took him seven years to get in. And nobody has anything concrete that connects Bagwell to steroids.
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