Recent UFO hearings

[TripleThreat]

Sooooooo what exactly is going on? I don’t see a UFO thread and it seems congress is currently and has been having sessions with “whistleblowers” about UFO’s. What these guys are saying is essentially telling us we are 100% not alone and our private contractors have all the information and evidence to prove this. With that said, are these guys credible??

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Have you ever used a cellphone to try and take a picture of a full moon?

We have dramatically better optic technology than cell phones out there which are continuously recording the night sky for all kinds of different scientific and amateur purposes at all times. I think it's telling that there's still no irrefutable evidence from these kinds of independent sources. These whistleblowers have claimed for a long time now that the physical evidence of extraterrestrials exists, but have given endless excuses for why they can't just expose that info to the public. Elizondo in particular has used that excuse for 5-6 years straight. Always some excuse why they have to wait for some reason.

Show some actual evidence. Something, anything that can be independently verified.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

We have dramatically better optic technology than cell phones out there which are continuously recording the night sky for all kinds of different scientific and amateur purposes at all times. I think it's telling that there's still no irrefutable evidence from these kinds of independent sources. These whistleblowers have claimed for a long time now that the physical evidence of extraterrestrials exists, but have given endless excuses for why they can't just expose that info to the public. Elizondo in particular has used that excuse for 5-6 years straight. Always some excuse why they have to wait for some reason.

Show some actual evidence. Something, anything that can be independently verified.

[Fish]

And your response in another grainy artifacted night vision video? I mean, can you at least understand why people can't really get excited about that again?

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

And your response in another grainy artifacted night vision video? I mean, can you at least understand why people can't really get excited about that again?

If you read the description…this is from 2011 with very high end video equipment (for 2011). Which is important because 2011 is well before current drone tech. I know it’s easy to dismiss because we have cameras “everywhere” but the cameras are not pointed at the sky and those that are are not looking for areal phenomena, but rather weather patterns and looking far deeper into space. These objects are operating from 10,000 to 80,000 feet not something your average traffic/personal/law enforcement camera will easily see from the ground. Remember, 10,000 feet is almost 2 miles away that’s farther than powerful sniper rifle scopes. Chris Kyle has the farthest confirmed kill at 1.2 miles with a sniper rifle and that’s still a very difficult sight picture. But you want perfect pictures of objects that are flying at much farther distances.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Originally Posted by Donger

Silly. Aliens don't exist.

I think life almost certainly exists elsewhere in the milky way or elsewhere, the chances are too high. But human like intelligence might not, and hell human like intelligence may even be an evolutionary dead end (jury is still out on if humans can avoid making themselves extinct). And even if there's other beings intelligent as humans, that doesn't mean they're able to create space faring technology. And even if they are, if our understanding of physics is correct (which it probably is for the most part), then the distances are too vast to overcome. We very very likely have neighbors, but we'll never meet them.

Or it could just be like, chemotrophs living in the soil of a planet like Mars.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Have you ever tried to take a picture through a closed window and a steamy shower curtain while balanced on a tree branch in the dark over a barking dog?

My lawyers says I'm not allowed to comment on my ongoing case

[Hog Rider]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The key question here is, if the government has proof of extraterrestrial civilization, why has the information not been shared?

Some here are assuming that it's about profit and power. That's certainly a viable theory, which we'll call Theory 1. I'd think it's less about profit since it hasn't been put to use (that we know of) commercially. I could see militaries using it and not wanting to show it. I think this theory is not overly likely because this isn't the use of discovered artifacts. They're still coming around, so something more must be happening.

Theory 2 is that they're not sharing the information because they fear that it'll undermine some elements of society. Clearly, a lot of creation theories in religions will become obsolete. However, this is unlikely because this sort of things can be studied, and religions are very adept at adjusting their messaging as dictated by real-world events.

Theory 3 is that it's known that an alien fleet is on its way to destroy us, and it'll destroy civilization if that information becomes public. A concealment could be either benevolent or it could be to buy time to build defenses. I think this is unlikely because the various nations would likely be working together for the greater good instead of fighting and posturing like normal.

Theory 4 is that we're in contact with the aliens and are negotiating some sort of agreement. This agreement could be friendly or it could be negotiating a surrender and some sort of subservient role. I think this is highly possible, though it's taking too long to be my favorite theory.

Theory 5 is that we know they're around, but we can't make contact with them yet. The UFOs are likely drones for a variety of reasons, so we're just seeing reconnaissance vehicles as they learn about us or monitor us. We may be concealing their existence until we can figure out why they're here.


I think it's Theory 5. We can't figure out who they are and why they're here, so it's not public yet. Theory 1 is merely an outcome of the fact that we've managed to learn some things in the process, and we're putting that learning to use.

Theory 6: "To Serve Mankind"

[vonBobo]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

But you want perfect pictures of objects that are flying at much farther distances.

Yeah, that's how evidence works.
We don't know the blobs are terrestrial or even physical. We don't know that the government is even telling the truth about the blobs. To declare a blob as ET is belief, not fact.

I hope I'm wrong, I hope more evidence is provided.

[vonBobo]

Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar

I think life almost certainly exists elsewhere in the milky way or elsewhere, the chances are too high. But human like intelligence might not, and hell human like intelligence may even be an evolutionary dead end (jury is still out on if humans can avoid making themselves extinct). And even if there's other beings intelligent as humans, that doesn't mean they're able to create space faring technology. And even if they are, if our understanding of physics is correct (which it probably is for the most part), then the distances are too vast to overcome. We very very likely have neighbors, but we'll never meet them.

Or it could just be like, chemotrophs living in the soil of a planet like Mars.

Or maybe life is so abundant that it makes the earth insignificant. Then add in the cost of space travel. Do humans go exploring every ant mound in the Serengeti?

[Otter]

I tend give a military pilot more credibility (lucidity, education, IQ, sobriety etc) than the average UFO sighting and there's some pretty interesting testimonies on the internet available for viewing.


Here's one:

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The key question here is, if the government has proof of extraterrestrial civilization, why has the information not been shared?

Some here are assuming that it's about profit and power. That's certainly a viable theory, which we'll call Theory 1. I'd think it's less about profit since it hasn't been put to use (that we know of) commercially. I could see militaries using it and not wanting to show it. I think this theory is not overly likely because this isn't the use of discovered artifacts. They're still coming around, so something more must be happening.

Theory 2 is that they're not sharing the information because they fear that it'll undermine some elements of society. Clearly, a lot of creation theories in religions will become obsolete. However, this is unlikely because this sort of things can be studied, and religions are very adept at adjusting their messaging as dictated by real-world events.

Theory 3 is that it's known that an alien fleet is on its way to destroy us, and it'll destroy civilization if that information becomes public. A concealment could be either benevolent or it could be to buy time to build defenses. I think this is unlikely because the various nations would likely be working together for the greater good instead of fighting and posturing like normal.

Theory 4 is that we're in contact with the aliens and are negotiating some sort of agreement. This agreement could be friendly or it could be negotiating a surrender and some sort of subservient role. I think this is highly possible, though it's taking too long to be my favorite theory.

Theory 5 is that we know they're around, but we can't make contact with them yet. The UFOs are likely drones for a variety of reasons, so we're just seeing reconnaissance vehicles as they learn about us or monitor us. We may be concealing their existence until we can figure out why they're here.


I think it's Theory 5. We can't figure out who they are and why they're here, so it's not public yet. Theory 1 is merely an outcome of the fact that we've managed to learn some things in the process, and we're putting that learning to use.

I'd go with a combination of theory 5 and theory 6 (really theory 1) that you didn't really mention.

That the technology is so grand that who ever is able to reverse engineer it first and keep the tech away from others, will be the most powerful nation in the world. And possibly even MORE important than that, keeping it out of our adversary's hands.

This technology would be a greater threat than any nuclear missile. So it's imperative that we control it and others don't. And until it's understood and we can can replicate/learn to defend ourselves against it, it must remain top secret.

And i agree with theory 5 in that they're likely drones, we have no contact with them or understand what/who they are.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

What also causes some pause with me is that there are about 200 countries in the world and not 1 is spilling the beans regarding aliens? I'd assume their interest isn't just in the United States.

There's military based reports from many countries all over the world. Russia, IIRC, has/had a UFO investigation program with a large number of reports from their airmen.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

gave us evidence gathered by state-of-the-art surveillance/sensor equipment aboard our most advanced military platforms

Eh, not quite. Therein lies the problem.

AARO says they have this and that, and whistleblowers say they have even more than what AARO admits.

But they have given us none of this evidence.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

There's military based reports from many countries all over the world. Russia, IIRC, has/had a UFO investigation program with a large number of reports from their airmen.

I’m talking some conspiracy to keep info from the population.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Fish

We have dramatically better optic technology than cell phones out there which are continuously recording the night sky for all kinds of different scientific and amateur purposes at all times. I think it's telling that there's still no irrefutable evidence from these kinds of independent sources. These whistleblowers have claimed for a long time now that the physical evidence of extraterrestrials exists, but have given endless excuses for why they can't just expose that info to the public. Elizondo in particular has used that excuse for 5-6 years straight. Always some excuse why they have to wait for some reason.

Show some actual evidence. Something, anything that can be independently verified.

No, they don't say they "have to wait" for anything.

They've SEEN it, they don't possess it. The DoD possesses it. They've seen the evidence while working within DoD UAP programs.

Whistleblower protections for this were only passed within the last year. Stealing classified info from the DoD and releasing it to the public would be kind of a big deal, ya know?

AARO has admitted to having this data. Publicly, they've admitted this, dude. This isn't just some whistle blower claim. The DoD effectively admits it themselves.

Last reported, they have roughly 29 examples of UAP in which they have multiple sensory data inputs that all suggest something abnormal is happening, and they don't know what they are.

They've released a full description on what they typically see and it's flight characteristics. Most typically they're metallic orbs.

And we HAVE seen footage from independent cameras that match exactly what they describe. And we don't even talk about any of that as we focus on what AARO and so forth claim they have.

I get it, you're a skeptic of this kinda stuff. You fancy yourself a realist that's grounded in common sense and science. And I appreciate that about you.

But regarding this topic, you're refusing to acknowledge facts: AARO has admitted that they have multiple levels of sensory data suggesting aerial anomalies that they cannot explain.

The questions shouldn't be, "Does the data even exist", the question should be, "what does the data suggest these things are, when will they release the data to the public and WHY won't they release the data to the public?"

And "They" are not the whistleblowers. "They" are the DoD whom themselves claim they have it.