Rashee Rice Injury Watch [LCL surgery done, out ~4+ months]

[SHOWTIME]

Did not look good

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok, yeah, this one is a freak injury.

He's been prone to freak injuries and missing time. It happened again. Carry on.

He's played in at least 14 games every season except for one before this freak accident.

Again, 100% overblown.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Just a ton of bad injury luck this year, it was bound to happen at some point.

RBs get hurt. RBs that run like Pacheco get hurt a lot. If anything, it's surprising he made it as long as he did without a serious injury.

As for Hollywood - guy got hurt who seems to always get hurt. Health is a skill, Hollywood's never had it. Ultimately any single injury can be a fluke but he has a history of them.

2018 -- Significant injury in college (foot)
2019 -- Ankle injury -- missed 2 games
2020 -- off-season surgery, was 'limited' in a couple of games; fairly healthy
2021 -- Missed a game due to a soft tissue injury; limited in others.
2022 -- Soft tissue injury early; IR for foot fracture late
2023 -- Dealt with a heel injury all year; limited most of the season and missed 3 games (pulled from two others).

He's just not an iron horse fellas. Is what it is.

But yeah, there was nothing to suggest at some point our All-World QB would throw a stupid interception then recklessly hurl his body into our WR1 who's trying to strip the football after the pick.

THAT one is fluky as hell. No two ways about that.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He's played in at least 14 games every season except for one before this freak accident.

Again, 100% overblown.

So 4/6 seasons he's played atleast 14 games in the league.

You wouldn't say he's had issues with injuries in that time?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

So 4/6 seasons he's played atleast 14 games in the league.

You wouldn't say he's had issues with injuries in that time?

Minor issues.

This is by far the worst injury he's had, and it'll be the only season he hasn't played at least 10 games. It shouldn't have kept him out for longer than 2-3 games, but again, not healing correctly is the epitome of "freak deal" moron.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He's played in at least 14 games every season except for one before this freak accident.

Again, 100% overblown.

He's missed snaps/games due to injury every season of his NFL career. And even when he's played, he's often been on limited snap counts because of this history of nagging injuries.

It's not just a question of looking at his GPs stats. You can look at his targets. A 1st round pick who was TRADED for a 1st round pick and who's been counted on as a primary receiving option for every team he's been on has averaged about 105 targets/season over his 5 seasons in the league. And in the one season where he was reasonably healthy, he had 150.

the 150 is where teams WANT him to be. The 100 is what they're getting on average. So he's out there giving about 2/3 of what teams are looking to get out of him in large part due to a lengthy injury history.

That matters. We risked it, it was a worthwhile risk, but it bit us. Shit happens.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Minor issues.

This is by far the worst injury he's had, and it'll be the only season he hasn't played at least 10 games. It shouldn't have kept him out for longer than 2-3 games, but again, not healing correctly is the epitome of "freak deal" moron.

You seem hung up on arguing if this is a freak deal or not.

It is.

What's it matter, in the end, he's hurt again.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

RBs get hurt. RBs that run like Pacheco get hurt a lot. If anything, it's surprising he made it as long as he did without a serious injury.

As for Hollywood - guy got hurt who seems to always get hurt. Health is a skill, Hollywood's never had it. Ultimately any single injury can be a fluke but he has a history of them.

2018 -- Significant injury in college (foot)
2019 -- Ankle injury -- missed 2 games
2020 -- off-season surgery, was 'limited' in a couple of games; fairly healthy
2021 -- Missed a game due to a soft tissue injury; limited in others.
2022 -- Soft tissue injury early; IR for foot fracture late
2023 -- Dealt with a heel injury all year; limited most of the season and missed 3 games (pulled from two others).

He's just not an iron horse fellas. Is what it is.

But yeah, there was nothing to suggest at some point our All-World QB would throw a stupid interception then recklessly hurl his body into our WR1 who's trying to strip the football after the pick.

THAT one is fluky as hell. No two ways about that.

But this idea that we should've known Hollywood wouldn't be available is blowing that injury history way out of proportion. This unlucky shit is by far the worst he'd had, and it was clearly not the type of injury that has anything to do with being injury prone.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

You seem hung up on arguing if this is a freak deal or not.

It is.

What's it matter, in the end, he's hurt again.

Because you act like we should've known we wouldn't have Hollywood all year when even his injury history would suggest he'd be available for the majority of it, even if he missed some time.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Minor issues.

This is by far the worst injury he's had, and it'll be the only season he hasn't played at least 10 games. It shouldn't have kept him out for longer than 2-3 games, but again, not healing correctly is the epitome of "freak deal" moron.

Kid had screws put into his foot to deal with a foot fracture in 2020 then had a similar foot fracture in 2022.

He's had a history of fractures. And sometimes if something fractures, it doesn't heal as you'd like. That's the nature of the beast. It's a but/for causation thing.

Is it a fluke that the bone didn't heal right? Maybe - but without the fracture it's not an issue. Is it a fluke that Mahomes drove himself into Rice's knee? Yeah, but without the interception, that's not an issue.

Guys that get hurt...get hurt. And recoveries are vague and unpredictable. I don't think you can hand-waive it when a guy who's had multiple fractures BEFORE you signed him, has another AFTER you signed him and then things don't go according to script with recovery. Because things OFTEN don't go according to script with recovery.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Because you act like we should've known we wouldn't have Hollywood all year when even his injury history would suggest he'd be available for the majority of it, even if he missed some time.

Odds heavily say he was gonna miss some time. Hindsight is hindsight at this point.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by O.city

Odds heavily say he was gonna miss some time. Hindsight is hindsight at this point.

I think the reasonable expectation was that he'd play most games, not all.

No one thought we'd lose him for the season the very first time he had any contact in a game.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Kid had screws put into his foot to deal with a foot fracture in 2020 then had a similar foot fracture in 2022.

He's had a history of fractures. And sometimes if something fractures, it doesn't heal as you'd like. That's the nature of the beast. It's a but/for causation thing.

Is it a fluke that the bone didn't heal right? Maybe - but without the fracture it's not an issue. Is it a fluke that Mahomes drove himself into Rice's knee? Yeah, but without the interception, that's not an issue.

Guys that get hurt...get hurt. And recoveries are vague and unpredictable. I don't think you can hand-waive it when a guy who's had multiple fractures BEFORE you signed him, has another AFTER you signed him and then things don't go according to script with recovery. Because things OFTEN don't go according to script with recovery.

It's not just the healing part that is a freak accident, the injury itself was a freak accident. It had absolutely nothing to do with him being injury prone, and it's silly to pretend otherwise.

If Hollywood had a hamstring or something that kept him out a few weeks, it would be fair to say "I told you so". This is not a scenario where it's fair to play that game. It was 100% a freak bad luck situation, regardless of your opinion on his injury history or mine.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

I think the reasonable expectation was that he'd play most games, not all.

No one thought we'd lose him for the season the very first time he had any contact in a game.

I can't beleive how hard it is for people to simply say this.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But this idea that we should've known Hollywood wouldn't be available is blowing that injury history way out of proportion. This unlucky shit is by far the worst he'd had, and it was clearly not the type of injury that has anything to do with being injury prone.

But again, recovery is unpredictable. And the only way to take that unpredictable nature out of the equation is to not have significant injuries that require recovery.

Brown has plenty of those. So no, it's not 'expected' that he'd be unavailable to this point, but it shouldn't necessarily be a shocker either.

Lemme try it from a different angle (warning -- really overly simplistic medical example to follow). Smoking doesn't EXACTLY cause cancer. What it does is kill cells more rapidly. And in killing cells, the body then responds by regenerating them. The more often it has to regenerate cells, the more likely it is that ONE of those regenerations goes awry and thus a cancerous cell is born that becomes a tumor, etc...

By smoking, you haven't increased the odds of any of one of those cells becoming a mutated cell that turns cancerous. You simply spin the wheel a lot more often because you're killing cells that must then be regenerated.

Hollywoods injury didn't increase the odds that any single recovery goes sideways. But by having multiple recoveries, it increased the chances that he would eventually roll snakeyes. And in this case, that's what happened.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But again, recovery is unpredictable. And the only way to take that unpredictable nature out of the equation is to not have significant injuries that require recovery.

Brown has plenty of those. So no, it's not 'expected' that he'd be unavailable to this point, but it shouldn't necessarily be a shocker either.

Lemme try it from a different angle (warning -- really overly simplistic medical example to follow). Smoking doesn't EXACTLY cause cancer. What it does is kill cells more rapidly. And in killing cells, the body then responds by regenerating them. The more often it has to regenerate cells, the more likely it is that ONE of those regenerations goes awry and thus a cancerous cell is born that becomes a tumor, etc...

By smoking, you haven't increased the odds of any of one of those cells becoming a mutated cell that turns cancerous. You simply spin the wheel a lot more often because you're killing cells that must then be regenerated.

Hollywoods injury didn't increase the odds that any single recovery goes sideways. But by having multiple recoveries, it increased the chances that he would eventually roll snakeyes. And in this case, that's what happened.

I'm just not buying that his past injuries, none of which were related to this one, had anything to do with how this one healed. You're reaching really hard to try and say this wasn't bad luck when it obviously was.