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View Poll Results: How will the Chris Jones deal play out?
Chris Jones will get paid by the Chiefs 207 70.17%
Chris Jones will get traded by the Chiefs 88 29.83%
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Old 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM  
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The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition
Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:16 AM   #2446
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I wish that the Chiefs would do something to shore up the interior of the line now that it appears that Jones will carry his holdout into the season. Like maybe signing Suh. That would help a lot. I know that the cap is tight, but there are restructures available. About $5M could be freed up by converting Justin Reids salary to signing bonus. And the bank of Mahomes is also an option. They did it once this year for about $10M. But there's still another $20M available if they want it. Plus, every week that Jones sits out will free up $1.1M. That money can help sign someone later or carry over to next year.
There will be good d-linemen available after roster cuts. I’m sure BV and Company have a board of potentially available players. Also, I heard on the radio this morning that Mahomes, Reid and Kelce all have cost prohibitive bonuses that go into effect if there is a contract restructure.
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:22 AM   #2447
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:24 AM   #2448
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What do you expect?

He has 2 rings and no matter how much less Mahomes took Mahomes career earnings are going to make Chris Jones look like a peon. The vast majority of players entire attitude is "get mine"
Well he isn't going to be doing a very good job of getting his if those fines keep piling up and then he sits out half the season.

It might be best if both parties move on. Seems like it is getting personal and we all saw how things went w HB his last season here.

Hopefully I'm wrong
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:37 AM   #2449
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Holy shit, no wonder PFF makes that inaccessible. It's ****ing worthless.

2018: 74 pressures, 16 sacks, 14 hits, and 44 hurries.
2022: 77 pressures, 15 sacks, 12 hits, and 50 hurries.

2018: 90.4 overall rating, 72.1 run defense rating, 91.2 pass rush rating
2022: 92 overall rating, 78 run defense rating, 92.2 pass rush rating

Despite being nearly identical in all facets available on their website, somehow his WAR is .22 higher in 2022. Just an absolutely worthless metric.
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:48 AM   #2450
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18.5 sacks last year.

43 sacks in 51 career games.

25 years old.

You comprehend now?
Sure. Easy deal, no problem
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:58 AM   #2451
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Holy shit, no wonder PFF makes that inaccessible. It's ****ing worthless.

2018: 74 pressures, 16 sacks, 14 hits, and 44 hurries.
2022: 77 pressures, 15 sacks, 12 hits, and 50 hurries.

2018: 90.4 overall rating, 72.1 run defense rating, 91.2 pass rush rating
2022: 92 overall rating, 78 run defense rating, 92.2 pass rush rating

Despite being nearly identical in all facets available on their website, somehow his WAR is .22 higher in 2022. Just an absolutely worthless metric.
No idea but I'd guess it has something to do with how well all the other players did that year thus in 2018 Jones had higher WAR players around him than in 2022 so him having a higher WAR in 2022 means more wins because the lack of other players being able to step up if Jones didn't play.
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:05 AM   #2452
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No idea but I'd guess it has something to do with how well all the other players did that year thus in 2018 Jones had higher WAR players around him than in 2022 so him having a higher WAR in 2022 means more wins because the lack of other players being able to step up if Jones didn't play.
Read what you just posted. Now think about it a bit. No. It's just a worthless metric.
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:11 AM   #2453
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18.5 sacks last year.

43 sacks in 51 career games.

25 years old.

You comprehend now?
Oh and he is also the reigning DPOY.
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Old 08-24-2023, 12:43 PM   #2454
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No, what?
I don't know that's what I was asking.
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Depends on how high the fines get.

Right now, the fines he has accrued? He probably can make that up.

If he misses several games? No, probably not.
It's also unclear if the fines for missing preseason games are waivable or not. We know the daily fines for missing camp are. But I've never heard anyone confirm that the fines for missing preseason games can't be waived.
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Old 08-24-2023, 01:03 PM   #2456
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I was listening to 810 this morning and they were saying that Jones holding out will drastically affect his FT number next year. If he waits until week 8, next year's FT would be around $23M, but if he plays the full season, his FT next year will be around $33M. I guess it's because him holding out changes his cap, and that is a factor in how the FT number is calculated.

So if he plays and gets tagged next year, and he plays next year he makes $53M over those two seasons. If he sits out until week 8, he only makes $36M. Sure makes sitting out look like a foolish strategy.
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Yeah, if he holds out until week 8 I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we just tagged him and let him sit again in 2024. The new CBA pretty much cripples the viability of any long term holdouts.
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Were the Chiefs offering Matheiu anything close to a top of pay for that position? Of course not as I don’t think they offered him anything if I recall. So he was never going to get a raise over his previous contract.

Not only is Jones likely passing up a big raise right now from the Chiefs, he passes up getting a big raise from anyone if he doesn’t perform well again this season. I maintain that if he has any hope of $30 per year he has to repeat of not outdo what he did last season. Anything short of it, and he is back to where he is right now with the Chiefs, and potentially lower if he sits out or under performs.
When Terez Paylor said contract year is undefeated, part of the wisdom of the quote is that a motivated player is going to pull out all the stops to have a career year and earn the next deal.

The idea that a veteran player like Chris Jones is going to have another salary drive year to help the Chiefs so that he gets the deal he wants but the Chiefs are not giving so far seems overly hopeful.

Maybe Jones thinks he has already earned the deal he wants and another team will give it to him no matter if he chooses to be a malcontent play not to get hurt guy this year if he does not get a new deal.

I am impressed that neither side has played the leak the numbers game, so maybe there is hope.
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Oh and he is also the reigning DPOY.
That and $4 will get him a cup of coffee at Starbucks
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I still don’t think he’s missing any games and we’ll see him report within the next week.

It makes too much sense for him.
Chris Jones is bluffing with the bricked nut flush draw (generally one of the worst hand to bluff river with) and the Chief are snap hero calling him with air.
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