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Chris Jones will get paid by the Chiefs 207 70.17%
Chris Jones will get traded by the Chiefs 88 29.83%
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Old 07-22-2023, 06:08 PM  
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The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition
Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.
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Old 07-27-2023, 07:59 AM   #331
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I would have took the trade before the draft but not sold on the idea of a trade now - unless it was for a haul better than what we got for Tyreek.
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Old 07-27-2023, 07:59 AM   #332
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I know none of us want to do this, but............

Say the Bears, who have the most cap space in the NFL, call us up.

They offer us a deal.

Bears get:
  • DT Chris Jones
Chiefs get:
  • the lower 2024 1st round pick (Bears control their own pick and Carolina's)
  • DT Gervon Dexter
  • 2024 3rd round pick
  • 2025 5th round pick

That's about in line with what the Dolphins gave up for Tyreek. The 1st round pick will be higher, Dexter is an actual player rather than a hypothetical 2nd round pick that the Dolphins gave us, and a 3rd + a future 5th = the Dolphins' two fourths. Dolphins gave us an additional 6th that I'm not including here.

Who takes the deal?
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Old 07-27-2023, 07:59 AM   #333
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I know none of us want to do this, but............

Say the Bears, who have the most cap space in the NFL, call us up.

They offer us a deal.

Bears get:
  • DT Chris Jones
Chiefs get:
  • the lower 2024 1st round pick (Bears control their own pick and Carolina's)
  • DT Gervon Dexter
  • 2024 3rd round pick
  • 2025 5th round pick
That's about in line with what the Dolphins gave up for Tyreek. The 1st round pick will be higher, Dexter is an actual player rather than a hypothetical 2nd round pick that the Dolphins gave us, and a 3rd + a future 5th = the Dolphins' two fourths. Dolphins gave us an additional 6th that I'm not including here.

Who takes the deal?
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:04 AM   #334
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I'm not doing the trade now. You have no clue what your'e really trading for draft pick wise.

If you wanted to trade it was before the draft. Now you ride it out and tag and trade.
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:05 AM   #335
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I would think it’s easier to replace Hill with Mahomes at QB than it is to replace Jones with no other blue chip pass rusher on the team.

And the Hill situation is a sample size of 1 and exactly why it’s not worth criticizing them. It’s not as if they’ve shown an inability to pivot when they had to. Here they just chose not to.

All faith in Veach.
Yep, losing Jones will impact the Chiefs more than anyone other than Mahomes/Kelce/Reid leaving. I'm sure Veach knows this. We can afford to pay one other player at the top rate other than Mahomes and still not enter cap hell.
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:18 AM   #336
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I mean the fines are irrelevant, IMO. If he signs an extension, those will all get waived. I don't mind if he sits out a week or two of TC. He's proven himself to not be some fat POS who just sits around doing nothing.

Plus it gives Bolton a chance to establish himself as one of the D leaders
Somebody more in the know than me might need to clarify, but I'm pretty sure the most recent CBA established that the fines cannot be waived or paid off by the team as part of the deal. So he's racking up $50k a day. He'll be back pretty soon, one way or another.
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:25 AM   #337
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Nate Taylor talked about this on a pod, I kinda think it's overblown a bit, but what does the rest of the defense think if Jones can do what he does and still not get paid?

Do they start thinking "no chance I get paid here"?
The Chiefs paid Chris Jones a life changing contract already. These players know what we know: only a select few that aren't elite QB's get a huge 3rd contract.

How many players that aren't elite QB's get a blockbuster 3rd contract with that much? Trent Williams, Von Miller, Aaron Donald...and?

It's not common
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:31 AM   #338
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The Chiefs paid Chris Jones a life changing contract already. These players know what we know: only a select few that aren't elite QB's get a huge 3rd contract.

How many players that aren't elite QB's get a blockbuster 3rd contract with that much? Trent Williams, Von Miller, Aaron Donald...and?

It's not common
Thing is, Chris Jones can make an argument that he's in that group, no?
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Old 07-27-2023, 09:07 AM   #339
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I know none of us want to do this, but............

Say the Bears, who have the most cap space in the NFL, call us up.

They offer us a deal.

Bears get:
  • DT Chris Jones
Chiefs get:
  • the lower 2024 1st round pick (Bears control their own pick and Carolina's)
  • DT Gervon Dexter
  • 2024 3rd round pick
  • 2025 5th round pick
That's about in line with what the Dolphins gave up for Tyreek. The 1st round pick will be higher, Dexter is an actual player rather than a hypothetical 2nd round pick that the Dolphins gave us, and a 3rd + a future 5th = the Dolphins' two fourths. Dolphins gave us an additional 6th that I'm not including here.

Who takes the deal?
That's the type of trade it would have to be right now. I don't know that you could convince KC to make this type of move, since Dexter is completely unproven at the NFL level.

Carolina is a team I could also see making sense here, if they would be willing to move Derrick Brown AND KC felt like he was a good enough centerpiece to get back.

Brown isn't Jones, obviously, but he's established at least a solid level of play.

It's just so complicated for the teams making the deal, I don't see how it gets done. They have to have the cap space, and the ability to send something valuable at DT back to KC, and have picks likely to be worthy of it.
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I'd think they end up around 28 mil? That get it done?
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I know none of us want to do this, but............

Say the Bears, who have the most cap space in the NFL, call us up.

They offer us a deal.

Bears get:
  • DT Chris Jones
Chiefs get:
  • the lower 2024 1st round pick (Bears control their own pick and Carolina's)
  • DT Gervon Dexter
  • 2024 3rd round pick
  • 2025 5th round pick
That's about in line with what the Dolphins gave up for Tyreek. The 1st round pick will be higher, Dexter is an actual player rather than a hypothetical 2nd round pick that the Dolphins gave us, and a 3rd + a future 5th = the Dolphins' two fourths. Dolphins gave us an additional 6th that I'm not including here.

Who takes the deal?
I had pretty much this exact scenario typed up a time or two, but decided not to hit submit. If we are indeed "far apart", and there is no possible solution in sight, I might even make the call and not wait for the Bears to call. Dexter was on the list in the Draft Form Thread on Prospect the Chiefs met with before the draft, but went 2 picks in front of Rice.
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Old 07-27-2023, 02:37 PM   #342
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I'd take that deal, and then I'd pay whatever it took to move up for Harrison II. PM2 to MH2 could be an all time duo just in time for Kelce to downshift.
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Trading him right now, takes the Chiefs out of Super Bowl contention with what it would do to the DT spot.

He'll play here this year. It's next year that you make a move.
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Trading him right now, takes the Chiefs out of Super Bowl contention with what it would do to the DT spot.

He'll play here this year. It's next year that you make a move.
I agree he will play here this year, but bullshit it takes them out of contention. If Jones gets injured again, you're saying the Chiefs can't win the super bowl?

And getting Dexter in the deal that makes me okay with doing it now. You clear 21M in cap space and already have an influx of talent to lighten the load.

Whenever Jones leaves, you can't try to replace him. You have to replace his production.
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I agree he will play here this year, but bullshit it takes them out of contention. If Jones gets injured again, you're saying the Chiefs can't win the super bowl?

And getting Dexter in the deal that makes me okay with doing it now. You clear 21M in cap space and already have an influx of talent to lighten the load.

Whenever Jones leaves, you can't try to replace him. You have to replace his production.
Yes, I think taking a DPOY candidate off the defense, in the current AFC landscape, makes them non superbowl contenders. Pat and the offense may go nuclear and win a playoff game or two I supposed, but they can't win the SB with the defense minus Jones.

Had they done it pre draft and FA, sure, they could have filled some spots.

Not now.
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