The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

[TribalElder]

Appears the Chiefs and Chris Jones are at the beginning of a contract dispute



Speculation has been that the two sides are "far apart" on a deal

So Chiefs Planet.... how do we think this will play out (poll coming)

Will the Chiefs pay up and meet Chris Jones demands? If so, how much will it end up costing?

Will the Chiefs not be able to meet Chris Jones demands and end up trading him? If so, what kind of haul can we expect?

I've really loved watching Chris Jones wreck shit for the Chiefs, it always sucks when the business side of the NFL forces teams into tough decisions.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is again where I think they just wait too long on these things.

They knew the # in March. If you don’t wanna get to it, fine, don’t. I’m not big on paying defenders a 3rd contract anyway, but don’t drag it out. If you aren’t willing to pay it, trade him and move on.

That’s not how negotiations work.

They knew A number in March, but it’s entirely likely that the two sides come closer together over time as the season nears and both sides are incentivized to get something done.

I would be quite surprised if the number Jones put out there in March was the number he was still set on today.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You are wrong.

I love posts like this.

"You are wrong..... Buuuut I'm not going to tell you how you are wrong. You just need to understand that you are wrong."



So exactly HOW is he wrong? Because I don't think he is wrong.

[RunKC]

I don't think Chris is "vital" to the defense moving forward. Like the defense isn't gonna crash and burn and suck if he's gone. But it will be noticeable.

The defense has some damn good talent on it man. Bolton, Sneed, McDuffie, Reid. I do believe Karlaftis is gonna break out and be a double-digit sack guy this year as well.

I like that Veach planned for this possibility with back-to-back first rd DE's and Omenihu.

Obviously I'd like to keep Chris, but if he wants Donald money and Veach trades him it wouldn't ruin us. We'd still be a top AFC team. We just saw what this franchise did last year with extra high draft picks and cash. We could do that again if it came down to it.

Again I love Chris but the Chiefs are still arguably the best team in the AFC bc of Andy and Patrick.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

He got it wrong. If we tag him it’s the avg of the top 5 d linemen. This year it was $18-19 mil avc

That $33 mil is higher then the highest paid perso.

If 120% of the player's salary from last season is greater than the tag number they will be tagged at the higher figure for the upcoming season.

He's in the 28M ballpark this year. Hence 33.6M

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

We have $51 mil next year

Where are you seeing 51M of cap space next year?

Never mind, I see that you're pulling that from OvertheCap. I tend to rely on Spotrac for projections, because I don't see the salary cap jumping to 255M from 220M in one year, 240M seems closer to the jumps we've been seeing recently (except for the covid years decreasing obviously), but more cap room helps us even more in that situation.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by kcgreene

If 120% of the player's salary from last season is greater than the tag number they will be tagged at the higher figure for the upcoming season.

He's in the 28M ballpark this year. Hence 33.6M

But isn’t his actual 2023 salary 19.5mm?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kcgreene

If 120% of the player's salary from last season is greater than the tag number they will be tagged at the higher figure for the upcoming season.

He's in the 28M ballpark this year. Hence 33.6M

Salary and roster bonuses, not cap hit.

The spread on things like signing or restructure bonus is not part of the formula.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Salary and roster bonuses, not cap hit.

The spread on things like signing or restructure bonus is not part of the formula.

Actually I think he’s right.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news...e-tag-work-nfl

One thing that comes into play when it comes to a franchise tag is the player's salary from the year before. This is called the Prior Year Salary (PYS), which consists of base salary, roster and reporting bonuses, prorated signing bonus and other payments to players for playing in the NFL from the year before. The only thing not included are the performance bonuses which are not a part of the roster and reporting bonus.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Salary and roster bonuses, not cap hit.

The spread on things like signing or restructure bonus is not part of the formula.

Spoiler!

What is a franchise tag in the NFL?
Non-exclusive franchise tag

— (A), The average of the five largest prior year salaries for players at the position at which the franchise player participated in the most plays during the prior league year, which average shall be calculated by:

Summing the amounts of the franchise tags for players at that position for the five preceding league years
Dividing the resulting amount by the sum of the salary caps for the five preceding league years
Multiplying the resulting percentage by the salary cap for the upcoming league year
— or (B), 120 percent of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.

If the team extends the tender pursuant to this subsection, the player shall be permitted to negotiate a player contract with any club, except that draft choice compensation of two first round draft selections shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the new club.

Meaning: This is by far the most common tag applied to players for a number of reasons. Mainly, teams applying the tag have the ability to match any offer put on the table by another team, but it also costs them less in the case that no other team puts in an offer on the player. The non-exclusive franchise tag cost is determined by 120 percent of the player's cap number from the previous season or the average of the five largest prior year salaries at the player's position.

The NFL team that puts the non-exclusive tag on a player can match an offer sheet extended from any other team. Should the team decide to decline to match the offer, the team that tagged the player will receive two first-round picks from the team that signed the player to the team.

BEST QB OPTIONS: Jets | Panthers | Raiders

Exclusive franchise tag
Definition and rules: The exclusive franchise tender shall be a one-year NFL player contract for ...

— (A) the average of the five largest salaries in player contracts for that league year as of the end of the restricted free-agent signing period that league year

— or (B) the amount of the required tender under the subsection above, whichever is greater.

Meaning: Since 2012, there have only been four players hit with the exclusive franchise tag: Drew Brees (2012), Von Miller (2016), Kirk Cousins (2017) and Le'Veon Bell (2017). Teams placing the exclusive franchise tag on another are essentially acknowledging that they know a player would have a huge market and won't run the risk of losing them, while also saying they can't sign a player to an extension.

If a player is hit with the exclusive franchise tag, they will not hit the open market. Their price tag will be limited to either the average of the five largest salaries in player contracts for that active league year or the amount of the non-exclusive tag only if the non-exclusive number is larger. The only way a player can play the following season for a different team is if he is traded by his current team.

Source: Sporting News (In the Spoilers as it's a little long) (First site that I just pulled up, I'll dig it up on NFL)

The only reference that I can find is to salary cap number. I'll check on NFL, and genuinely hope that I'm wrong, but from what I remember, it's the cap number.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don't think Chris is "vital" to the defense moving forward. Like the defense isn't gonna crash and burn and suck if he's gone. But it will be noticeable.

The defense has some damn good talent on it man. Bolton, Sneed, McDuffie, Reid. I do believe Karlaftis is gonna break out and be a double-digit sack guy this year as well.

I like that Veach planned for this possibility with back-to-back first rd DE's and Omenihu.

Obviously I'd like to keep Chris, but if he wants Donald money and Veach trades him it wouldn't ruin us. We'd still be a top AFC team. We just saw what this franchise did last year with extra high draft picks and cash. We could do that again if it came down to it.

Again I love Chris but the Chiefs are still arguably the best team in the AFC bc of Andy and Patrick.

Best case:

They are able to extend Jones (if this happens, the team can make it work)

Next-best case:
They are not able to come to an agreement on an extension, but they do agree he will play out this year on his current deal and the team will trade him in the spring if his demands are still more than the team is comfortable with.

I'd hate to see them trying to find a trade right now for Jones. You'd be limited to a team with the cap space to make it happen, let alone what you're getting back. Maybe the Panthers or Colts or Bears. But it's awfully hard to make that deal when you don't know what range of pick you're actually getting back.

Would the Panthers do it for Derrick Brown and a 1st next year? Would the Colts do it for DeForrest Buckner and their 2nd and more? It gets dicey.

[Sassy Squatch]

Oh boy. Is that where the 33 million number came from?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kcgreene

Spoiler!

What is a franchise tag in the NFL?
Non-exclusive franchise tag

— (A), The average of the five largest prior year salaries for players at the position at which the franchise player participated in the most plays during the prior league year, which average shall be calculated by:

Summing the amounts of the franchise tags for players at that position for the five preceding league years
Dividing the resulting amount by the sum of the salary caps for the five preceding league years
Multiplying the resulting percentage by the salary cap for the upcoming league year
— or (B), 120 percent of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.

If the team extends the tender pursuant to this subsection, the player shall be permitted to negotiate a player contract with any club, except that draft choice compensation of two first round draft selections shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the new club.

Meaning: This is by far the most common tag applied to players for a number of reasons. Mainly, teams applying the tag have the ability to match any offer put on the table by another team, but it also costs them less in the case that no other team puts in an offer on the player. The non-exclusive franchise tag cost is determined by 120 percent of the player's cap number from the previous season or the average of the five largest prior year salaries at the player's position.

The NFL team that puts the non-exclusive tag on a player can match an offer sheet extended from any other team. Should the team decide to decline to match the offer, the team that tagged the player will receive two first-round picks from the team that signed the player to the team.

BEST QB OPTIONS: Jets | Panthers | Raiders

Exclusive franchise tag
Definition and rules: The exclusive franchise tender shall be a one-year NFL player contract for ...

— (A) the average of the five largest salaries in player contracts for that league year as of the end of the restricted free-agent signing period that league year

— or (B) the amount of the required tender under the subsection above, whichever is greater.

Meaning: Since 2012, there have only been four players hit with the exclusive franchise tag: Drew Brees (2012), Von Miller (2016), Kirk Cousins (2017) and Le'Veon Bell (2017). Teams placing the exclusive franchise tag on another are essentially acknowledging that they know a player would have a huge market and won't run the risk of losing them, while also saying they can't sign a player to an extension.

If a player is hit with the exclusive franchise tag, they will not hit the open market. Their price tag will be limited to either the average of the five largest salaries in player contracts for that active league year or the amount of the non-exclusive tag only if the non-exclusive number is larger. The only way a player can play the following season for a different team is if he is traded by his current team.

Source: Sporting News (In the Spoilers as it's a little long) (First site that I just pulled up, I'll dig it up on NFL)

The only reference that I can find is to salary cap number. I'll check on NFL, and genuinely hope that I'm wrong, but from what I remember, it's the cap number.

Well, color me corrected. It's been a long time since I looked at that. I think it has changed.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Actually I think he’s right.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news...e-tag-work-nfl

If he holds out to week 11 like some theorized, does that lower his tag number since it's based on how much he was paid the year previous?

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

If he holds out to week 11 like some theorized, does that lower his tag number since it's based on how much he was paid the year previous?

It will give us a significant chunk of cap space but not sure it changes the formula.

[kcgreene]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Well, color me corrected. It's been a long time since I looked at that. I think it has changed.

It's all good. I still wanna look it up on the NFL's site and see, but they don't make hunting that stuff down specifically user friendly to say the least imo