Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[Balto]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, ARI is trying to free up some cap space as well as acquire a couple exttra picks for rebuilding purposes, so that's not going to happen.

But if they ate $7-$9 million or so, that would give us Dhop for basically the same money that we're paying MVS, which would be a ridiculous steal for KC. And we wouldn't even have to play MVS as a starter.

Put Toney, DHop in as your starters, then it doesn't even really matter if Skyy blows up or not. Just between Toney and DHop you're probably getting 2,400-2,600 yards and 15-18 TDs combined. Assuming that Toney would be able to play 15+ games in that scenario.

If Toney can't stay healthy, no problem, MVS comes in and plays his role, and Skyy is fine as long as he can basically double his yards (500) and get 4-6 TDs, and then any combination of one of the Ross boys (I have no faith that both will suit up every week) and Richie James and/or whichever rook WR we draft can produce the moderate amount of production we'd need if Toney has the gimps next season and/or Skyy doesn't develop as perfectly as we'd need/like.

Bottom line, we're not hoping that two or three WRs that don't have any real proven success to become actual starting caliber WRs with no safety net.

How about $9M plus we send them MVS to save another $7M.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by PHOG

How many times has Moore lost a game to injury? Hmm. Me thinks he's going show out this year. Maybe not, but I bet he does.

Of course, that has nothing to do with FA or drafted WR's

Looks like just one game.

I think he's going to be more productive. 600 yards, 4-5 TDs at a guess. He'll definitely be on the field more often, in 2-minute/hurry-up situations where he was largely absent last season, so he'll have more opportunities to be targeted at least. Really my hope is that he's able to run more pro routes as opposed to paper routes. Basically, routes that he can just win as opposed to having to scheme him open via gadget plays or screens. If he makes those positive steps, he'll fill those stat lines pretty well.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Balto

How about $9M plus we send them MVS to save another $7M.

We could, but I doubt it's on the table. What I read is that Veach might restructure MVS' contract, not trade him.

It's all blue-skying, but hypothetically I wouldn't shed any tears if they traded MVS. I doubt he tips the scales significantly either way.

[PHOG]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Looks like just one game.

I think he's going to be more productive. 600 yards, 4-5 TDs at a guess. He'll definitely be on the field more often, in 2-minute/hurry-up situations where he was largely absent last season, so he'll have more opportunities to be targeted at least. Really my hope is that he's able to run more pro routes as opposed to paper routes. Basically, routes that he can just win as opposed to having to scheme him open via gadget plays or screens. If he makes those positive steps, he'll fill those stat lines pretty well.

I think as a rookie, he was buried under vets, and he'll have a much more pronounced role this year. Now, whether he produces, will remain to be seen.

It's all on him.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by Balto

How about $9M plus we send them MVS to save another $7M.

Worthy of conversation.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by PHOG

I think as a rookie, he was buried under vets, and he'll have a much more pronounced role this year. Now, whether he produces, will remain to be seen.

It's all on him.

Eh. Early on he simply ran a lot of bad routes. or paper routes. That first INT he ran it more as an over, instead of breaking it tight behind the LB, which allowed the DB to make a play when the ball arrived. The second one he didn't understand that he needed to slow/stop in the soft spot and his route carried him right into the defender.

Basically he needs to learn the difference between paper routes and NFL routes, and he needs to learn how to find the soft spots in zone coverage.

Somewhere in there he has to learn how to beat press, but Andy can help with that simply by putting him in the slot more often than not.

But yeah, I think he'll be better in 2023. But I'm not betting he'll just figure everything out and be a 1,000 yard WR in 2023. It's just not that easy.

[Couch-Potato]

Max Pain!

1. RB Gibbs
2. WR Hyatt [Trade up using 2024 pick]
3. WR Hopkins [Trade to ARZ]

Thrive. lol.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Max Pain!

1. RB Gibbs
2. WR Hyatt [Trade up using 2024 pick]
3. WR Hopkins [Trade to ARZ]

Thrive. lol.

Lol, okay, let's do that. Though what does Gibbs do that Pacheco can't? Not familiar.

[Couch-Potato]

I'm wondering if C Jones already has an extension in place hence his "I'll be a Chief for life" tweet and his recruiting of Hopkins. He knows we can't pay Hopkins unless he has an extension done.

Maybe we get a 1, 2, 3 combo tomorrow night?

1. Chris Jones extension announced
2. Hopkins trade completed
3. Trade up for RB Gibbs or DE Murphy

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, okay, let's do that. Though what does Gibbs do that Pacheco can't? Not familiar.

He's potentially the next RB to convert to WR like Tyeek Hill, legit 4.3 speed but much more likely to play a dual role like Antonio Gibson. His pro comp is Kamara, kid would be incredible in KC!

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

He's potentially the next RB to convert to WR like Tyeek Hill, legit 4.3 speed but much more likely to play a dual role like Antonio Gibson. His pro comp is Kamara, kid would be incredible in KC!

Ah, now it makes sense. What's Gibbs first name? Want to look up some info.

[Dunerdr]

So is the hop to Baltimore not almost a done deal?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm wondering if C Jones already has an extension in place hence his "I'll be a Chief for life" tweet and his recruiting of Hopkins. He knows we can't pay Hopkins unless he has an extension done.

Maybe we get a 1, 2, 3 combo tomorrow night?

1. Chris Jones extension announced
2. Hopkins trade completed
3. Trade up for RB Gibbs or DE Murphy

Lol, I caught that the second/third time I heard it. CJ recruiting DHop would seem to indicate that CJ's extension is already schemed out, doesn't it? That would be pretty exciting if it worked out that way. i might get all the way to fully erect!!!

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Ah, now it makes sense. What's Gibbs first name? Want to look up some info.

Jahmyr

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

So is the hop to Baltimore not almost a done deal?

No clue. Someone posted that the originator of that 'DHop to BAL' twit wasn't a trustworthy source.