Let's talk Defensive Line - Page 9

Couch-Potato · 10:46 PM

Went through a bunch of threads to identify all of our interests across the defensive line, is this all of them? Who else should be added to the list? Removed from the list? Should anyone be moved up or down on the draft target list?

FA Targets
-DE Yannick Ngakoue, IND
-DT Da’ron Payne, WAS
-DT Poona Ford, SEA
-DE Jadaveon Clowney, CLV
-DT Kalen Saunders, KC
-DT Greg Gains, LAR
-DT Armon Watts, CHI
-DE Ardon Key, JAX
-DE Clean Ferril, LVR
-DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, HOU
-DT Chris Wormley, PIT
-DT Maurice Hurst, SF
-DT Andrew Billings, CIN

Vet Trade Targets
-DE Brian Burns, CAR
-DE Chase Young, WAS
-DE Carl Granderson, New Orleans
-DE Za'Darius Smith, Minnesota
-DE D.J. Wonnum, Minnesota

1st Rd Targets
-DT Byran Breese,
-DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
-DE BJ Ojulari, LSU
-DE Keion White, Georgia Tech
-DE Derick Hall, Auburn
-DE Isahiah Foskey, ND
-DE Nolan Smith, Georgia
-DL Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
-DE Andre Carter, Army

2nd Rd Targets
-DT Siaki Ika, BU
-DE Will McDonald IV, Iowa St.
-DL Calijah Kancey, Pitt
-DE Zach Harrison, Ohio State
-DE Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State
-DT Mazi Smith, Michigan

3rd Rd Targets
-DT Gervon Dexter, Florida
-NT Keanu Benton, Wisconsin
-DE Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
-DL Byron Young, Tennessee
-DT Zack Pickens, South Carolina
-DL Mike Morris, Michigan
-DE Dylan Horton, TCU

4th Rd Targets
-DT Byron Young, Alabama
-DE Viliami Fehoko, San Jose St
-DE Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan
-DL Yaya Diabi, Louisville
-DE Habakkuk Baldonado, Pitt

5th-7th Rd Targets
-DE Isaiah McGuire, Missouri
-DE Caleb Murphy, Ferris St
-DE Derek Parish, Houston
-DT Dante Stills, West Virginia
-NT Elijah Simmons, Tennessee

**The Franchise** · 03-19-2023, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Okay, I'll bite: What do the colors mean? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess green means HIGH. But what about the others?

Green is a good fit.
Orange is a medium fit.
Red is a low fit.

kccrow · 03-19-2023, 07:13 PM

Here's the basic slotting he has:

High
Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
Myles Murphy, Clemson
Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame
Keion White, Georgia Tech
Isaiah McGuire, Missouri
Zach Harrison, Ohio State
Mike Morris, Michigan
Tyler Lacy, Oklahoma State
D.J. Johnson, Oregon
Ali Gaye, LSU

Medium
Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
Derick Hall, Auburn
Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State
Tavius Robinson, Ole Miss
Andre Carter, Army
K.J. Henry, Clemson
Eku Leota, Auburn
Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
Dylan Horton, TCU
M.J. Anderson, Iowa State
Ochaun Mathis, Nebraska
Brenton Cox, Florida

Low
B.J. Ojulari, LSU
Will McDonald IV, Iowa State
Nolan Smith, Georgia
Nick Herbig, Wisconsin
Byron Young, Tennessee
Lonnie Phelps, Kansas
Nick Hampton, Appalachian State
Jose Ramirez, Eastern Michigan

Some guys he's missing:
Colby Wooden, Auburn - High
YaYa Diaby, Louisville - High
Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan - Medium
Yasir Abdullah, Louisville - Low

Couch-Potato · 03-19-2023, 10:40 PM

Favorite 5:
Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame
Keion White, Georgia Tech
Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
Zach Harrison, Ohio State

Bonus 5:
YaYa Diaby, Louisville
Villiami Fehoko, San Jose St
Karl Brooks, Bowling Green
Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan
Cam Murphy, Ferris State

Couch-Potato · 03-19-2023, 10:46 PM

@KCKrow did Matt Lane score other positions as well? DL or WR perhaps?

kccrow · 03-20-2023, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

@KCKrow did Matt Lane score other positions as well? DL or WR perhaps?

No idea. He just copied my shit anyhow. Just kidding.

I know he mentioned Demario Douglas out of Liberty a few days ago. I mentioned him a couple of weeks ago or so as a guy Direckshun should check out when he was going all giddy about shifty players.

Not sure who else he's high on. I don't subscribe to his draft guide or whatever it is he calls it.

Pest might know.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-20-2023, 08:39 AM

**The Franchise** · 03-20-2023, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

@KCKrow did Matt Lane score other positions as well? DL or WR perhaps?

No. That's not him "scoring" players. It's basing it off of the type of EDGE that Spags likes. It's just saying whether a player is a fit or not when it comes to height, weight and arm length. I believe he's only drafted one player that wasn't a fit and that was Mike Danna.

DJ's left nut · 03-20-2023, 11:04 AM

Danna worked out just fine.

Eh - I think they'll target tiers. When 31 comes up they'll look at the position tiers and see if there's a standout target left at any of them (vs 3 or 4 similarly situated guys at other positions) and take the guy they think they'll be less able to find a reasonable facsimile for in the 2nd.

They really took need off the board with their moves in FA. RT is the only real problem area now and I think they still have some faith in Niang. DT needs help but I don't see a 1st round possibility sliding to us there.

**chiefforlife** · 03-20-2023, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise

This EDGE class is tailor made for Steve Spagnuolo.

Since arriving in KC (2019), this draft class has:

- Has the most HIGH fit DEs (15)
- Has the second MOST medium fit DEs (16)
- The MOST high + medium fit DEs (31)
— Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) March 19, 2023

You know, this could very well mean the Chiefs could wait until round 2 and still get a very good Edge.

This may signal another position in round 1 where the depth is not so strong.

DJ's left nut · 03-20-2023, 04:58 PM

It's a risk, though. I think that's how Speaks and Skyy happened.

Now that's not to say I think Moore will have the same impact as Speaks did (none at all) but I think we slow played the position both times banking on depth to bail is out and suddenly in the span of a handful of picks, the depth vanished on us and we ended up taking the last guy in the tier to avoid being shut out entirely.

Ideally you want to be mid-run on stuff like that and it's just not possible from the back of the round unless you're REALLY proactive on trade ups and have a real good feel for how the draft will go.

There's a really good chance I wouldn't risk it.

raybec 4 · 03-20-2023, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's a risk, though. I think that's how Speaks and Skyy happened.

Now that's not to say I think Moore will have the same impact as Speaks did (none at all) but I think we slow played the position both times banking on depth to bail is out and suddenly in the span of a handful of picks, the depth vanished on us and we ended up taking the last guy in the tier to avoid being shut out entirely.

Ideally you want to be mid-run on stuff like that and it's just not possible from the back of the round unless you're REALLY proactive on trade ups and have a real good feel for how the draft will go.

There's a really good chance I wouldn't risk it.

Speaks is currently in the USFL. He was a 2nd round pick like 5 years ago and is not yet 30. I would certainly hope that they don't risk waiting until there aren't any 2nd round pass rushers available to take one.

RunKC · 03-21-2023, 07:06 PM

Cannot believe how much depth there is in this draft at Edge. After the top guys that extend to early rd 2, you’ve got guys like Tuli Tuipulotu, Tyrus Wheat and Tavius Robinson who all look like capable players with strong traits.

Man. I can really see Veach doing what he did at Corner last year with the DL this year. Would not shock me to see 2 edges and a DT drafted

Couch-Potato · 03-22-2023, 06:27 AM

Maybe take an OT in the 1st, trade up in the 2nd for DE, trade our 3rd for Hopkins.

Couch-Potato · 03-22-2023, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Maybe take an OT in the 1st, trade up in the 2nd for DE, trade our 3rd for Hopkins.

RD 1 - OT A Harrison, D Jones, or D Wright
RD 2 - [Trade up = 2nd + 4th + CEH] DE Foskey, Adebaware, Tuipulotu, or Carter
RD 3 - [Trade for Hopkins = 3rd + 2024 5th]
RD 4 - DT
RD 4 - N/A
RD 5 - BPA
RD 6 - BPA
RD 6 - BPA
RD 7 - BPA
RD 7 - BPA

kccrow · 03-22-2023, 07:03 AM

What's yall's fascination with Andre Carter? He's maybe a 3rd round guy and that's based on some of his athletic traits. I wouldn't trade up for him in the 2nd by any stretch. I'm saying NO. Don't do it mate.

I'm feeling that the NFL is going to view this edge class differently than the media.

My assumption is:

1. W. Anderson
2. T. Wilson
3. L. VanNess
4. M. Murphy
5. N. Smith (3-4)
6. I. Foskey
7. T. Tuipulotu
8. W. McDonald (3-4)
9. D. Hall
10. F. Anudike-Uzomah

As for K. White and A. Adebawore, I really think you put those guys as 3-4 DEs and not EDGE IMO.

That's my takety take.

02-18-2023, 02:02 PM
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $303065	Let's talk Defensive Line Went through a bunch of threads to identify all of our interests across the defensive line, is this all of them? Who else should be added to the list? Removed from the list? Should anyone be moved up or down on the draft target list? FA Targets -DE Yannick Ngakoue, IND -DT Da’ron Payne, WAS -DT Poona Ford, SEA -DE Jadaveon Clowney, CLV -DT Kalen Saunders, KC -DT Greg Gains, LAR -DT Armon Watts, CHI -DE Ardon Key, JAX -DE Clean Ferril, LVR -DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, HOU -DT Chris Wormley, PIT -DT Maurice Hurst, SF -DT Andrew Billings, CIN Vet Trade Targets -DE Brian Burns, CAR -DE Chase Young, WAS -DE Carl Granderson, New Orleans -DE Za'Darius Smith, Minnesota -DE D.J. Wonnum, Minnesota 1st Rd Targets -DT Byran Breese, -DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa -DE BJ Ojulari, LSU -DE Keion White, Georgia Tech -DE Derick Hall, Auburn -DE Isahiah Foskey, ND -DE Nolan Smith, Georgia -DL Tuli Tuipulotu, USC -DE Andre Carter, Army 2nd Rd Targets -DT Siaki Ika, BU -DE Will McDonald IV, Iowa St. -DL Calijah Kancey, Pitt -DE Zach Harrison, Ohio State -DE Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State -DT Mazi Smith, Michigan 3rd Rd Targets -DT Gervon Dexter, Florida -NT Keanu Benton, Wisconsin -DE Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern -DL Byron Young, Tennessee -DT Zack Pickens, South Carolina -DL Mike Morris, Michigan -DE Dylan Horton, TCU 4th Rd Targets -DT Byron Young, Alabama -DE Viliami Fehoko, San Jose St -DE Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan -DL Yaya Diabi, Louisville -DE Habakkuk Baldonado, Pitt 5th-7th Rd Targets -DE Isaiah McGuire, Missouri -DE Caleb Murphy, Ferris St -DE Derek Parish, Houston -DT Dante Stills, West Virginia -NT Elijah Simmons, Tennessee Last edited by Couch-Potato; 02-18-2023 at 10:46 PM..
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03-19-2023, 07:13 PM	#122
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1040000	Here's the basic slotting he has: High Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech Lukas Van Ness, Iowa Myles Murphy, Clemson Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame Keion White, Georgia Tech Isaiah McGuire, Missouri Zach Harrison, Ohio State Mike Morris, Michigan Tyler Lacy, Oklahoma State D.J. Johnson, Oregon Ali Gaye, LSU Medium Tuli Tuipulotu, USC Derick Hall, Auburn Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State Tavius Robinson, Ole Miss Andre Carter, Army K.J. Henry, Clemson Eku Leota, Auburn Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern Dylan Horton, TCU M.J. Anderson, Iowa State Ochaun Mathis, Nebraska Brenton Cox, Florida Low B.J. Ojulari, LSU Will McDonald IV, Iowa State Nolan Smith, Georgia Nick Herbig, Wisconsin Byron Young, Tennessee Lonnie Phelps, Kansas Nick Hampton, Appalachian State Jose Ramirez, Eastern Michigan Some guys he's missing: Colby Wooden, Auburn - High YaYa Diaby, Louisville - High Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan - Medium Yasir Abdullah, Louisville - Low
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Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $303065	Favorite 5: Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame Keion White, Georgia Tech Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern Tuli Tuipulotu, USC Zach Harrison, Ohio State Bonus 5: YaYa Diaby, Louisville Villiami Fehoko, San Jose St Karl Brooks, Bowling Green Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan Cam Murphy, Ferris State Last edited by Couch-Potato; 03-20-2023 at 10:15 AM..
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Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $303065	@KCKrow did Matt Lane score other positions as well? DL or WR perhaps?
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-610901	Danna worked out just fine. Eh - I think they'll target tiers. When 31 comes up they'll look at the position tiers and see if there's a standout target left at any of them (vs 3 or 4 similarly situated guys at other positions) and take the guy they think they'll be less able to find a reasonable facsimile for in the 2nd. They really took need off the board with their moves in FA. RT is the only real problem area now and I think they still have some faith in Niang. DT needs help but I don't see a 1st round possibility sliding to us there. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-610901	It's a risk, though. I think that's how Speaks and Skyy happened. Now that's not to say I think Moore will have the same impact as Speaks did (none at all) but I think we slow played the position both times banking on depth to bail is out and suddenly in the span of a handful of picks, the depth vanished on us and we ended up taking the last guy in the tier to avoid being shut out entirely. Ideally you want to be mid-run on stuff like that and it's just not possible from the back of the round unless you're REALLY proactive on trade ups and have a real good feel for how the draft will go. There's a really good chance I wouldn't risk it. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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03-21-2023, 07:06 PM	#132
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1390389	Cannot believe how much depth there is in this draft at Edge. After the top guys that extend to early rd 2, you’ve got guys like Tuli Tuipulotu, Tyrus Wheat and Tavius Robinson who all look like capable players with strong traits. Man. I can really see Veach doing what he did at Corner last year with the DL this year. Would not shock me to see 2 edges and a DT drafted __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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03-22-2023, 06:27 AM	#133
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $303065	Maybe take an OT in the 1st, trade up in the 2nd for DE, trade our 3rd for Hopkins.
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03-22-2023, 07:03 AM	#135
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1040000	What's yall's fascination with Andre Carter? He's maybe a 3rd round guy and that's based on some of his athletic traits. I wouldn't trade up for him in the 2nd by any stretch. I'm saying NO. Don't do it mate. I'm feeling that the NFL is going to view this edge class differently than the media. My assumption is: 1. W. Anderson 2. T. Wilson 3. L. VanNess 4. M. Murphy 5. N. Smith (3-4) 6. I. Foskey 7. T. Tuipulotu 8. W. McDonald (3-4) 9. D. Hall 10. F. Anudike-Uzomah As for K. White and A. Adebawore, I really think you put those guys as 3-4 DEs and not EDGE IMO. That's my takety take.
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