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Old 10-27-2022, 05:23 PM  
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Kadarius Toney's role this season & stat predictions?

We have a bye week so that's good but everyone knows Reids playbook isn't the easiest for new WRs. What does everyone think his role will be immediately? What about at the end of the year? How many snaps will he have vs the Titans?

Some think he's just an option for 2023 and beyond but if the Chiefs gave up a late 3rd and 6th for him perhaps they are envisioning more.
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Old 10-29-2022, 03:36 PM   #76
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Assuming Toney applies himself and studies the playbook diligently, Andy will certainly get him on the field asap. All manufactured stuff at first, and probably not more than 5-8 touches for the first couple weeks, then more if he progresses well. Probably no more than 20 odd snaps/game (not touches, just offensive snaps) by season's end. But Andy and co. will want to see what they've bought as soon as practical.
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Old 10-29-2022, 03:36 PM   #77
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Not wagering, but that would beat the rookie season of basically every Chiefs WR I could think of to look up except Tyreek, and Toney has half a season to do it.
If he didn't have this incredible skill that fits in with jet sweeps and an uncanny ability to get those extra yards after the catch I would say no way. But I'm willing to bet Andy has some plays schemed up specifically to exploit those skills. All he has to do is get 35 yards receiving, 25 yards rushing and 20 yards in returns per game over the remaining games to make that happen.
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Old 10-29-2022, 04:04 PM   #78
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Assuming Toney applies himself and studies the playbook diligently, Andy will certainly get him on the field asap. All manufactured stuff at first, and probably not more than 5-8 touches for the first couple weeks, then more if he progresses well. Probably no more than 20 odd snaps/game (not touches, just offensive snaps) by season's end. But Andy and co. will want to see what they've bought as soon as practical.
5-8? Come on. What would that make him? The 3rd most relied upon weapon on offense?

He'll be lucky to get 2 touches a game to start off.
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5-8? Come on. What would that make him? The 3rd most relied upon weapon on offense?

He'll be lucky to get 2 touches a game to start off.
I was including PK returns. And this is a slightly different situation, which is why I kind of guess that they'll want to get him some touches asap. They'll start him kind of slow, but they'll want to see what he can do, and why not against our next two opponents? Two teams that don't feature great pass rushes, so Pat will have plenty of opportunity to find Toney in a real live game. Might as well take the kid for a test drive on an easy stretch of road . . .
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Will he even be active vs Tennessee?
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Will he even be active vs Tennessee?
There's a chance he will be, yes.
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Will he even be active vs Tennessee?
I'll be disappointed if he's not. Even if he didn't know the whole playbook you can still manufacture some plays for him like the 49ers did with McCaffrey. And you don't really need to know a playbook to return kicks.
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I'll be disappointed if he's not. Even if he didn't know the whole playbook you can still manufacture some plays for him like the 49ers did with McCaffrey. And you don't really need to know a playbook to return kicks.
He needs to be active if only as a return man.

And hell, just putting him in the huddle and having him run guys off as a decoy has plenty of value if you aren't confident throwing him the football yet. You pair up him and MVS on a smash concept and you HAVE to respect him underneath, so you have him run a curl and the safety will have to monitor him due to his YAC ability.

You could just send him out there to free up MVS or Hardman on a shot play if you wanted to. And honestly, he's demonstrated such good feel for space that I think he'd be really valuable in a scramble drill as well.

He should get some time. Maybe 10-15 snaps on the offense and a dedicated presence as the primary returner.
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I'll be disappointed if he's not. Even if he didn't know the whole playbook you can still manufacture some plays for him like the 49ers did with McCaffrey. And you don't really need to know a playbook to return kicks.
If he's not active, I think you can assume it might be a hamstring thing more than a playbook/experience/skill thing, no?

I really wanna test out our shiny new toy though...
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If he's not active, I think you can assume it might be a hamstring thing more than a playbook/experience/skill thing, no?

I really wanna test out our shiny new toy though...
He insists he's healthy.

I'll be curious what the practice reports indicate. If he's limited today, that usually means he's a no-go for Andy. Gotta get a full week of practice in coming off injury before Andy will play guys with soft-tissue injuries.
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I’m also wondering if he starts at kick returner and pacheco gets more touches as an rb?
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He's going to play against the Titans. It may only be a few snaps but he's going to play.
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So I was watching a Chiefs podcast last night, and apparently Toney may or may not be a good punt/kick returner. He's only returned something like 16 punts/kicks between college and the NFL. And he had some drops doing it in college.

Now Toub is the best ST coach ever, so maybe it's just a question of coaching him up properly. No question the Chiefs coaching staff is the best he's ever been around, so there's plenty to be optimistic about, but Toney may not be our answer this season as a returner. Just saying.

But it also means Toney may not be returning kicks/punts right now.
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