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Old 03-08-2022, 12:43 PM  
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Broncos trade for Russell Wilson
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Old 10-07-2022, 11:21 AM   #811
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So when is the earliest the Donks can get out of this glorious contract of theirs? Surely they can't cut him after this season, right? They're stuck with him for at least... 4? 5 seasons?

Eeeeexcellent.
After the 2025 season. And even that's gonna hurt; they can take a $31 million dead cap hit after the 2025 season or they can spread it out to $18 million in 2026 and $13 million in 2027.

It's an UGLY deal. Guaranteeing those option bonuses and the 2024 salary really rat-****ed them. Had they not done that, perhaps they could've gotten out after 2024. But with an extra $16 million in option guarantees for 2025 and 2026, they're pretty much hosed.

They're married to this guy for 4 years and then even the divorce prior to year 5 is going to cost them a fair amount...
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After the 2025 season. And even that's gonna hurt; they can take a $31 million dead cap hit after the 2025 season or they can spread it out to $18 million in 2026 and $13 million in 2027.

It's an UGLY deal. Guaranteeing those option bonuses and the 2024 salary really rat-****ed them. Had they not done that, perhaps they could've gotten out after 2024. But with an extra $16 million in option guarantees for 2025 and 2026, they're pretty much hosed.

They're married to this guy for 4 years and then even the divorce prior to year 5 is going to cost them a fair amount...
Glorious.

Now we just need the Chargers to pay Herbert. Not that he won't be worth it, but it will certainly help us continue to dominate the AFCW.
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Old 10-07-2022, 11:48 AM   #813
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This is just crazy. This is not Alex Smith level bad. It’s Matt Cassel reincarnate. There’s no excuse.

Hackett’s play call was just fine. The OL held up, the receiver got open. It’s all Russ’s fault.

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Shit - Gilbert was even playing inside leverage and gave it away pre-snap.

What the hell, Wilson? That's high school shit. Hamler is your first read once they give you that pre-snap look.

Man, that's so so so bad.
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They have to get this guy checked out for head trauma, right?

This is the press conference version of Tua getting suplexed.
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Here’s a solid list, though I think Manning, Rodgers & Favre should not be ahead of Montana:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm
Not a bad list. They've got Rodgers at #3 and Wilson at #24.

Never mind. They've got Mahomes at #39. Terrible.
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Not a bad list. They've got Rodgers at #3 and Wilson at #24.

Never mind. They've got Mahomes at #39. Terrible.
Pretty amazing to be #39 after only 4.25 years as a starter. He's on a pace similar to Rodgers or Brady or Manning in terms of his "per year" points in the list. He's not far off from Matt Stafford's career total, despite Stafford having 8 extra years of yardage/TD numbers thrown into the formula.
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Here’s a solid list, though I think Manning, Rodgers & Favre should not be ahead of Montana:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm
I love the PFR HOF metric.

They are ahead of Montana because of the objective data. It is not a subjective list.
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RunKC saying he'd rather have Wilson than Rodgers was...off base.

The biggest feather in Denver's cap in that whole exchange was that they had so much flexibility in Russ's contract because the structure of it gave him a lower base salary and the signing bonuses hit Seattle's cap. They had an opportunity to use that flexibility to their advantage.

Instead they just set it all on fire and doubled down on a mediocre QB.

Just ****ed this thing up coming and going. And if my memory on the extension is correct, it came during camp - right? They'd seen him play. They had to realize something was amiss.

Just remarkably awful.
The extension was always baffling, given they would have had plenty of time to watch him and evaluate his play. Instead, they RUSHED to extend him.

Hell, Seattle knew very well that he was declining and has been doing their best to cover for that fact the past season plus.
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I love the PFR HOF metric.

They are ahead of Montana because of the objective data. It is not a subjective list.
I mean there is a pretty huge difference in how the game is played the last 20 years compared to the days of Montana. Joe lasted 12 years while getting the crap knocked out of him. How long would Manning have made it? He had a pretty serious neck problem that would have ended his career if he played in an earlier time period, yet he was able to keep going another 4 years in a pass happy era with very soft rules to protect him.
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Agreed, but has there ever been a case of an elite QB (Russell Wilson could very well be the highest rates QB of all-time that has 10+ years in the league) that goes to a new team and shits the bed like this? It's stunning. Props to Pete Carroll and that staff for getting as much out of Wilson as they did.
Russel Wilson wasted Pete Carroll's prime.
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I'm sure PFF graded those plays as "basically the same" level of performance by the two QB's.
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Shit - Gilbert was even playing inside leverage and gave it away pre-snap.

What the hell, Wilson? That's high school shit. Hamler is your first read once they give you that pre-snap look.

Man, that's so so so bad.
Drew Lock makes that throw. Geno Smith makes that throw. Hell, Akili Smith makes that throw. Why? Because it's the throw the play is designed to produce. WTF was Russ thinking here? Was he looking for DK?
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I'm sure PFF graded those plays as "basically the same" level of performance by the two QB's.
Meh, Pat's was too risky and Russ was correct in not throwing that over the middle of the field. Interception, incompletion, etc.
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